Monday, August 11, 2008

Hints from Comic-Con

Hello my dear friends -

It's been about two and a half months since Season Four of Lost ended, and I hope all of you have been making the most of the hiatus so far. For those of us who are in countries that have been enjoying warm-weather months since May 29th, I dare to guess that the time has gone by quickly. Besides, NO major non-reality TV shows have been on since Lost's finale, so it's not like anyone feels like they're missing anything just yet, right? However, when September and October bring a bevy of season premieres, things may get a tad more depressing and Lost's return in February will still be ridiculously far, far away.

That's most likely why the producers of our favorite show once again threw us some bones to chew on during the recent Comic-Con conference in San Diego. I didn't attend the event, but have watched the video that was shown at the Lost panel, have thought long and hard about what it could mean, and am now fully prepared to provide a debrief.

You all know my strict "no spoiler" rule for this site, but for some of the Comic-Con scoop, I make an exception. That being said, I'm not going to cover any of the Season Five plot-related information that the producers discussed in a question and answer session, although I did read all of it and don't feel that any of it is too surprising. If you would like to know what they said, the best and most succinct recap I have read is here.

What I AM going to discuss, however, is the video that played. While I wasn't quite as excited about this one as I was about The Orchid Station video that debuted last summer, this clip probably raises just as many new questions, if not more.

Before you watch it (assuming you haven't seen it already), allow me to set the stage. At Comic-Con, there was a Dharma Initiative booth, because the organization is apparently in business again and is trying to recruit new people (in the world of Lost, not in the real world... sorry, folks). A Lost fan attended one of the Dharma orientation sessions, and secretly filmed the video they showed there. Then he escaped from the room and showed the rest of the Comic-Con attendees what he had taped. This was obviously all just a staged thing with actors, lest you start getting too jealous of the kid on the tape.

Knowing that, you can try to forward the video below to the one-minute mark, where the good stuff begins...



If you'd like to read a transcript of what you just saw, click here.

Time to analyze the video. I hope my brain's still up to the task after being out of practice for several weeks...


THE NAME GAME

Previously, Pierre Chang went by a different alias in each of the hatch orientation videos we've seen... and the names were connected: Marvin CANDLE, Edgar HalliWAX, Mark WICKmund. Now he has finally revealed his true identity. So did those other monikers hold any clues, or does this guy just like candles? And why did he feel he needed to use pseudonyms in the first place?

We also find out that he is a professor from Ann Arbor, Michigan (Go Blue!), the city where I spent four years of my life during college. Who else has ties to Ann Arbor, or "A-Squared" as we Michiganders say? The DeGroots. Remember them? They are the two hippie freaks -- professors at the University of Michigan (in Ann Arbor) -- who co-founded the Dharma Initiative.

The connection between Chang and the Degroots could've easily been deduced back in Season Two, when we saw them in the Swan Orientation video that Chang moderated, so what's the big deal? I personally think that Chang mentioned Ann Arbor to get us crazy fans thinking about the Degroots again... because I have a feeling they're going to factor into Season Five.

I now put the probability of the Degroots being the Adam and Eve skeletons in the cave at 39.57% (higher than before).



CAT'S IN THE CRADLE

Honest-to-God truth: until I read the video transcript, I thought some rabid cat was making a racket at the start of Chang's speech. I felt really dumb after I found out it was supposedly a baby crying. They need to get better sound effects for these videos, seriously.

So, the #2 Biggest Debate that has arisen from this new clip is: "Who is the baby?" Many people thought it was Charlotte at first, since we have been given reason to believe that she was born on the Island. We also know, from when Ben rattled off her background in "Confirmed Dead," that she was born in 1979, which would more or less fit the thirty-year time gap between when Chang shot the video and the present day (more on that shortly). However, Chang clearly says "take HIM outside," so I really don't think it's Charlotte.

The next guess that's flooding the message boards is that the baby is Miles and is Chang's son... simply because he's Asian and so is Chang. Maybe Miles' "powers" come from the fact that he was born on the Island? I throw that theory out there, but I really don't subscribe to it, for the same reason that I don't believe Abaddon is "Older Walt" just because they're both African American.

So right now, I have no intelligent guesses for who the baby might be. But I do think it might not even matter. Perhaps "Who is the baby?" isn't the question we should be asking. Perhaps the right question is, "HOW is there a baby on the Island?" Because, last we checked, pregnant women died before giving birth to any children conceived on the Island.

The baby heard in the video could've been conceived elsewhere, like Aaron, and that is why he survived. Or maybe the problem with pregnant women arose after this video was taken. As I mentioned in my Season Four finale post: "But perhaps pregnant women started dying on the Island in the first place because of Ben... because he stopped devoting himself completely to the Island and got too wrapped up in Annie. As a punishment, the Island made it so that no one else could ever have children and Ben would have to bear the guilt of that situation."

This we can be sure of: we were meant to notice the baby crying on that video for a reason, or else it wouldn't have been on the tape in the first place, nor would Chang have called attention to it.

Finally, in Season Five we need to be on the look-out for a woman named "Lara," who Chang called out to on the tape. Some people think he said "Jennifer," but the actor who plays Chang actually confirmed the name was Lara in a recent interview (he says, "Dammit, Lara!").


KARMA POLICE,
ARREST THIS MAN, HE TALKS IN MATHS

We also learn that Chang was brought to the Island to conduct "experiments to study the Kerr metric solution of the Einstein field equations." Saaaaay whhhhaaaaat?

According to Lostpedia, "the Kerr metric is used to describe the rotation of black holes and how everything, including light, must rotate when near a black hole. When the Kerr metric is applied to Einstein's theory of general relativity, we get a wormhole. Since the trajectory of observers and particles in general relativity are described by time-like curves, it is possible for observers in this region to return to their past. So, in theory, time travel is possible if one uses the Kerr metric."

Now, where else have we seen mention of the Kerr metric on the show? On the chalkboard in Daniel Faraday's experiment room in "The Constant."



Which leads us to the #1 Biggest Debate that Chang's new video spawned...


GUIDED BY VOICES

Who is/are the owner(s) of the voice(s) heard on the tape--the one or two people Chang speaks to near the end?

When I heard the unseen guy say "None of that matters. It doesn't matter. Just get to it. Please!", I (and pretty much everyone else who watched this video) thought, "Yay, it's Faraday!" How he says "please" was the giveaway.

But then when I heard "This is useless! Alright? It's just useless. They'll never gonna see this, Pierre. How do I turn this off?", I wasn't so sure. Concentrate on how this man says "off." It's a New Yorkish accent, and it definitely is not how Daniel sounds. This same person speaks again at the very end of the clip, and says "off" again, while Chang begs him not to shut down the camera.

My initial hunch was that there were two men in the room with Chang. One is Daniel, who seems hopeful that the experiment might work. The other man is the more pessimistic one. Many people on the boards seem to think it may be Horace--the dude who brought Ben and his father to the Island, and who was seen recently in Locke's dream about Jacob's cabin. I could buy that, if for no other reason than it would explain why he popped up again on the show... they wanted to make sure we remembered him in future seasons.

Further, the actor who plays Chang did confirm in an interview that "we have seen" the person who spoke on the tape. That seals the fact that it's not a new character. But it also leads me to believe it is just one person, rather than two, behind the camera (he didn't talk like there were two different people ... he used the term "the voice" in the interview). So, despite the weird-sounding pronunciation of "off," I think if I had only one guess as to who was in the room with Chang, it would be Daniel. It would explain why he was crying at the wreckage of Flight 815 when we first saw him in "Confirmed Dead" (though he appeared to have no understanding/memory of why he was upset). And Daniel obviously had a hunch he might be time-traveling one day, or else he wouldn't have noted in his journal that Desmond could be his constant.

Just as important as the identity of the unseen man/men is how the guy(s) came to meet up with Chang in the first place. Because whoever the mystery man is, he is the one supplying Chang with information not only about the future, but also with more details than the Dharma group previously had about the mysterious properties of the Island. If we assume it is Daniel's voice in the video, then my guess as to how he got there would be that when Ben moved the Island, Tie Boy got thrown through time to a point in the past... which may or may not be the same point that Locke and others will have gone to.

With his handy-dandy journal, Faraday would be able to help Chang figure out what is going on with the special space-time qualities on the Island, and then subsequently suggest an attempt at transmitting a message through a "pinhole" in time (the term Chang used on the tape). Why Daniel would sound so defeatist about the experiment working, however, is beyond me. I suppose if you thought you were going to be stuck in the past with a bunch of people who were doomed to die and didn't think you would ever see your lady love (Charlotte) again, you would be a bit exasperated.

It does lead me to wonder, however, how Daniel would get back to the "present time" (for him, at least... which would be the end of 2004) after helping Chang try to reach the Future Dharma Team.

Allow me to end this section with one note of caution. I remember being really taken aback at some of the comments I got, both on this site and on DarkUFO, about the "who's in the coffin?" debate that started after the Season Three finale. In one particular post, I had laid out all of the possibilities of whose casket it might be, and some people outright attacked me for not just accepting that it DEFINITELY WAS MICHAEL. It was a done deal in their minds. This confidence stayed with those commenters until the last five seconds of the Season Four finale. And, well... we all know how that one turned out.

So I have to chuckle again when I read about all of these people who act like they have some sort of inside knowledge that it OBVIOUSLY IS FARADAY on the tape. While I agree that most signs point to it being him... I think we all should've learned by now that nothing -- absolutely nothing -- is a given on this show. Keep that in mind, should you find yourself ripping on anyone who doesn't think it's Daniel's voice, or being the subject of such taunts if you have another theory.


HIDE AND SEEK


At the 1:45 mark, there appears to be a strange image inserted into the reel. Here it is:


Unless it is a still-shot from The Blair Witch Project, I have no guesses. Nor do I think it's important, I'm just reporting that others do.


AND I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LONG, LONG TIME

Although static drowns out exactly what Chang says about "thirty years," we can assume that since he made references to the Internet and the current President of the United States, and since he also spoke of a "violent purge" that had not yet happened, that he is coming to us from the year 1978, thirty years in the past.

How does this fit in with the timeline that we think has been established for the show thus far? (I'm taking all dates from the timeline listed on Lostpedia, which pulls from either stated dates or implied dates within episodes).

1970 - The Dharma Initiative was created

1977 or 1978 - Ben and his dad come to the Island

1978 - Chang broadcasts the video to the year 2008, possibly with the help of Faraday. Chang still has his left arm intact and there is at least one baby on the Island.

1980 - The Swan (original hatch) Orientation film is copyrighted, and in the video Chang's left arm is a prosthetic. The Pearl's Orientation film is also copyrighted in this year, but Chang's left arm appears to be his own in that reel.

1992 - The Purge takes place, where Ben helps The Others kill the Dharma Initiative members with poison gas.

2001 - Juliet arrives on the Island, and at this point, the problem with pregnant women has been going on for some time.

2004 - Ben "moves" the Island.

2008 - Chang's video makes its way thirty years into the future.


My guess would be that Chang must lose his arm in "the incident" he refers to in the Swan film. "The incident" was apparently why they started having someone push the button in the Swan hatch every 108 minutes in the first place (ah, remember the button and the Countdown Clock 'o Doom? Those were the days...) -- to control the Island's electromagnetic anomaly. So whatever this incident was, it probably happened between 1978, when Chang still had his arm, and 1980, when he appears to have a prosthetic in at least one video. Even though he mentions "a violent purge" while looking down sadly at his arm in this newest reel... his arm was obviously already gone before he was killed in The Purge.

Who wants to bet that we're going to see Chang on the Island in Season Five (in the past)? Who wants to also bet that a lot of what happened between 1970 and 2001 is going to be covered in Season Five?


ONE MORE TRY

Before the video is cut off, Pierre pleads with his unknown transmission recipients to "continue the research," to try to save him and his group, to try and find a way to "change the past," and to "stop what's about to happen."

First and foremost, let me reiterate that the producers have said, literally countless times, that the futures we have seen for the Oceanic Six are set in stone -- they are not going to change. They admit that it would be "cheating" and that the audience would not have any stake in the characters if it wasn't certain that Jack, for example, would end up all depressed with a hillbilly beard after returning home. So any talk of theories that include some group going back in time to change the past that will therefore make a different future unravel for our Lostaways should be ignored.

However, we cannot ignore that Pierre thinks that his fate can be changed, and that he is encouraging Future Dharma members to try and save him. And we can't be certain that they won't in fact try to do just that. But if, as Ms. Hawking explained to Desmond back in "Flashes Before Your Eyes," the universe will always course-correct... then there seems to be no hope for Pierre, his poor arm and the rest of the Dharma Initiative. Maybe Future Dharma DOES travel back in time but is still unable to change Original Dharma's fate.

In fact...

EVERYTHING OLD IS NEW AGAIN

... I would bet that's what's going to happen. Why else would The Powers That Be behind the show have chosen to create "Octagon Global Recruiting" to try and attract people to the newly reconstituted Dharma Initiative (complete with a shiny new logo!)?

Why else would this summer's new online game related to the show (or ARG, alternate reality game) revolve around Dharma? You can play the game at DharmaWantsYou.com... or you can be lazy like me and just read what other people figure out from the game here.

It would seem that the Dharma Initiative HAS been resurrected in the year 2008, and I wouldn't be surprised if they try to interfere with the past. The question is... is Widmore behind it all? I would guess that there would be some connection to him, too.

Here's how it all might work: We can assume that Jack spirals into his depression in the late fall of 2007, because when he was still sober, happy, and living with Kate and Aaron, he read a clip about the Red Sox which placed the date at the end of August 2007. I would assume it would take at least a few months for him to get to the bad state he was in when he was begging Kate to return to the Island with him in the scene outside the airport in the Season Three finale.

We can therefore assume that the final scene of Season Four, in the Hoffs-Drawler funeral home with Ben and Jack looking at Locke (sniff) in the coffin, took place in the final months of 2007. And what's after 2007? 2008. Our current year, in which Dharma is reassembling and Jack is trying to round up the Oceanic Six again; both groups would have the goal of getting back to the Island. It might take them some time... like, say, until the beginning of 2009. You know, right when Season Five premieres. I'm making a bet right now that all of the action in the show ends "real-time" in May of 2010, when the final episode of the series airs.

Let us just pause a moment and appreciate the brilliance of the Lost writers once again, shall we?

(Pause.)

Incredible. Truly incredible.

Anyway, last time we saw Sun, she appeared to be trying to strike a deal with Widmore. She could be trying to get revenge on Ben (whom she might blame for Jin's death if she learned, from Locke/Bentham that Ben let Keamy die, thus blowing up the freighter...), OR she could have hope that Jin is still alive (also from Locke/Bentham) and is using Widmore to help the O6 find the Island again. Especially if she learned that Dharma was re-forming and Widmore was backing their new mission. What Sun is up to is one of the things I'm most anxious to figure out next year.

Let me restate that this entire section is just what I think is going on/going to happen ... purely my own theory. I'm sure it will be blown to bits shortly.


This ends my analysis of the new Pierre Chang video. However, there are a few more things I wanted to share with you all that I thought you might find interesting...


YOU LOOK JUST LIKE ME, DUDE!


At Comic-Con, there was a guy who looked EXACTLY like Hurley, as you can probably see from the still clip below. If you don't want to be spoiled about any Season Five plot points, only play the video for a few seconds just to appreciate his Hurly-ness.




IN OTHER LOST-RELATED NEWS...

- Sawyer's going to be in a movie!

- Shout-out to reader KV for letting me know about Lost: The Answers Are Here, a documentary of sorts that aired after the Season Four finale on Sky One in the UK. (The link goes to a page on YouTube containing the show broken up into three parts. Be forewarned that there may be some mild spoilers in these clips, but they are definitely something that will help tame "Lost Withdrawal.")





- What's this? Locke and Chang have already met?!?! This throws all of our theories out of the window. Oh, wait. It was only on the show JAG. Phew.



- Shout-out to reader LH for telling me about an appearance by Keamy and Zeke in Wild Hogs at 23-second mark in the video below. Yes, that IS Keamy. They both have been in tons of movies, by the way. Check out IMDB for the full list (here's Zeke's, here's Keamy's).



- Shout-out to reader "Island Girl" for telling me about these truly hilarious Lost spoofs, created with Lost action figures (and a few other "guest stars"). Can you guess which one is my favorite (readers of 'According to e' over the past few years will have an easier time...)? The bigger question is, why didn't I think of this?!?! (Note: other things on this site outside of the Lost spoofs are NOT safe for work.)

- The shout-outs keep coming... this one goes to reader TC, who sent me these pictures, taken in a Trader Joe's grocery store in St. Louis. Looks like an employee there is a fan of the show...





And finally, on a personal note, I have a few things to add:

- We had a guy do some work on our condo building last week, and I swear to you, he looked like he could be Desmond's uncle. I am sure the way I kept staring was unnerving the heck out of him. If he had busted out with a Scottish accent, I might have kidnapped him. Unfortunately I didn't get a picture (that probably would've made him walk out on the job, don't you think?).

- If you've been reading 'According to e,' then you know that I saw a Sawyer look-alike at a Jimmy Buffett concert a few weeks ago. And Jimmy himself referenced Lost during his performance!

- Before there was Lost, there was The X-Files to keep all of us nerds happy. Click here if you were a fan of that show and want to see some ultra-ridiculous pictures of me from an X-Files convention in 1998.

That's all I've got! I'm going to be pretty busy over the next few months (be sure to check in to 'According to e' to keep up with my adventures and to catch a big announcement I'll be making in a couple of weeks...), so I don't think I'll post again on Lost for a while. Remember to sign up in the upper right-hand part of this site if you'd like to get any new posts emailed to you or fed into a reader. Or friend me on Facebook, where I also post any new write-ups.

In the meantime, continue to do all that you can to keep your mind off of Lost's absence, and let me know if you have any other theories, questions or comments about the newest video!

- e

27 comments:

ncjl said...

Good call with the Degroots, we'll really have to keep an eye on them. I have a feeling that they'll mostly be involved in the Octogon Global Recruiting stuff though.
And I agree with you about that baby's cry, I had no idea it was a baby until I read the transcript. I was thinking, how significant can a cat be that they needed to mention it in a comic-con video?
I don't want to sound completely narcistic, but when you say: "Many people thought it was Charlotte at first" I hope you weren't referring to my theory (here: http://ncjl.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/ssdc-09-daniel-charlottes-father/ and also here http://ncjl.wordpress.com/current-theories/daniel-is-charlottes-father/). In that theory I say that Charlotte is Daniel's daughter as implied by that video, but I don't think that the crying baby was Charlotte. I'll try to explain that later, I'm attempting to comment on your post in the general order that you wrote it.
I agree that the baby is likely Miles, and that it hardly matters except to make his flashbacks more and more intriguing.
As for how the baby was born, I think they were just establishing that when Dharam controlled the island babies could be born, when the hostiles and subsequently The Others took over they could no longer have babies. Maybe at some point we'll learn why they can;t have babies, but not soon.
As for the voice in the video, presumably Daniel's, you almost came to the same conclusion as I did. You say near the end of your post that you can't change the past, Mrs. Hawking explained that, and it will always hold true. I believe that Daniel would know that too. So if Daniel is the informant then he would know about the purge, Pierre losing his arm and all kinds of things. Therefore when Pierre starts begging people to save the Dharma Iniative and prevent the purge Daniel starts to say it's useless, and he turns off the camera. I don't think Daniel care much about Dharma, Daniel isn't trying to save them, he's trying to contact someone in his future and save himself. That leads me to my next point.
Daniel can't just be thrown back into the 70s. I am absolutely sure that Lost will not try to do time-travelling like that. The way Lost does time travel is with people's consciousness travelling into their body in the past, like with Desmond's. So perhaps Daniel's mind could travel to the past, but it could only go where his body was, therefore his body had to have been on the island in the 70s, not only that but he had to be an adult. Therefore, based upon that, I think that Daniel is similar to Richard in that he doesn't age. That would mean that he was one of the original members of the Dharma Initiative. It also means that he could have done any number of things on the island, including fathering a certain red-headed girl. (That's just me plugging my theory though.) The point of all of that is that Daniel has become unstuck in time, he is jumping all over the place, he needs to contact people in 2008, and he needs to find his constant: Desmond. This theory also explains Daniels first flashback, he knew about the Oceanic Six crashing because he was jumping around in time, he would obviously feel sad knowing that all those people crashed.
Anywho, I'm getting tired of typing. And I've written all of this on my blog "Not Confused Just Lost" at: http://ncjl.wordpress.com/
- Izi
PS - Check out my new Jacob theory: http://ncjl.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/jacob-horace-goodspeed/

Kelli said...

Ah, how I've missed your analysis!

Ernie said...

e returns to Long Live Locke the same day that Doc Jensen posts at EW.com. This feels like the Lost season never ended. (I know you don't like spoilers, but if you want to know the title for the season 5 premiere, check of Jensen's article).

Loved your analysis of the video. It got me thinking of all kinds of possibilities for next season.

The Big Wee Hag said...

Ah, I've missed your posts! Lovely analysis of the video, and thanks for adding Francois Chao's comments, especially about the name Chang is calling out. If the woman is named Lara, the identity of the baby is finally clear - it of course has to be Superman. ;)

As for the years, I think I have to disagree with lostpedia - if Ben is really around forty in 2004, as Jack estimated, he and his Dad can't have arrived on the island in 1978, as there is no way that Little Ben is 14 at that point.
Additionally, if the "voice" in the video is actually Faraday, who had just come from 2004, wouldn't it be more likely that Chang's "in 30 years" referred to 2004, thus making it 1974?

e said...

ncjl - Nope, I hadn't read your theory about Daniel being the father of Charlotte. Good Lord, I seriously hope that's not what ends up happening--that would be kind of gross! And just to clarify, I do NOT think the baby is Miles... I was just saying that a lot of others seemed to simply because he and Chang are both Asian. I don't think we'll ever know who the baby is.

Interesting about Faraday also being ageless. Though that wouldn't help out his relationship with Charlotte too much!

Kelli - Thanks!


Ernie - I have not been keeping up with EW.com... I'll have to think about whether or not I want to check it out. Were there any other spoilers aside from the premiere's title (which I don't consider a spoiler, really)?

The big wee hag - I do see your point about Daniel COMING from 2004... but we don't know how long it might have taken them to figure out how to do the video (and it was literally one of the last days of 2004 when the Island moved, too, so it's more like the very beginning of 2005 most likely when Daniel arrived wherever he might have gone to, assuming it's him). So it actually may have taken them a few years to figure out how to do the tape. But I think the biggest hint that the video was made in 1978 is that it was aired to the "new Dharma recruits" at Comic-Con in the present time (they had a recruiting booth there and everything, and that's what the new online game is about... Dharma starting up again and recruiting people)... so it actually reached 2008. Last year when they showed the Orchid video, they just played the video on the big screen. This year they made it so that it was like this kid JUST saw it come through, taped it, and then "leaked it" to the rest of the attendees.

As for Ben's age... I'm not really a good judge of kid's ages... all of my cousins looked much different in height and whatnot even when they were the same age. I do agree it seems like Ben would be younger when he arrived though, but I don't think we technically know how old Ben is supposed to be in 2004. But all of the other dates work out, so I think we just have to go with it for now... Shannon was supposed to be 20 and I never believed that one, either. ; )

- e

Ernie said...

e,

I'm anti spoiler as well, but always love Doc Jensen's columns. I didn't think there was anything other than the title of the season 5 premiere in there.

He recapped Comic Con, talked about the new ARG, the Lost book club at ABC.com...that's about it. The bad part is that he teases the name a few times in the article and you get tired of all the teases.

Ernie said...

e,

I just checked the EW.com article and there is a mini spoiler about whether or not Daniel Dae Kim will be on the show next year...if you consider that a spoiler.

e said...

Ernie - OK, thanks for double-checking... I will take a look at it. I have read all the info from Comic-Con even though I didn't post about all of it, and that included the status of DDK, but thanks for the forewarning. ; )

- e

e said...

Ernie - Geez, you weren't kidding about him teasing it out... but when I finally got to the REAL title, I loved it and got chills. It's going to rock!

- e

The Big Wee Hag said...

e,

I don't think the fact that the video was shown to the Dharma recruits in 2008 necessarily means that it reached whoever Chang sent it to in that same year, but even if it does, why would that signify that they send it out in 1978? Chang says "roughly 30 years" and since Daniel came from late 2004, it's likely that they were aiming for that year or 2005. I think we cannot really tell which year it is, only that it has to be somewhere after 1970. But hopefully, it'll all be cleared up eventually. :D

Anonymous said...

Another great write-up, thanks for the summary of what's been happening.

Something I should of posted sooner, some Lost merchandise out of Japan:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MED10193&mode=retail

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=MED10200&mode=retail

'Kubricks' produced by the toy company Medicom.

They are 2.5" tall block figures. If your interested in some more details on them just ask.

I already have the Jack and Lost be@r, they're great.

e said...

Big Wee Hag - No, you're right... the more I think about it, it would be kind of weird for Daniel to be targeting any time past 2004, where he'd come from. Maybe when they say "roughly 30 years," that's our clue to know that THEY don't really even know where the transmission will end up. So while I do honestly think we can take the fact that it was played in the way it was at Comic-Con to mean that it reached 2008, that definitely doesn't mean it was sent in 1978, per your point.

How come I have the feeling that we're all obsessing about the date and it won't even matter, and/or we'll never find out for sure? : )

Anon - Thanks for the links to those figures--kind of strange, especially a black bear?!?!

- e

KFM said...

All I'm going to say is the Hurley-look alike was behind me in line at Comic-con, and well, his resemblance is uncanny. After the panel, he was posing with the vat of ranch and people were taking tons of pictures. It was a great experience. Love the write up!

Anonymous said...

Yeah the black bear is a "be@rbrick". Kind of hard to explain but it's a whole line of toys unto itself.

For example they do a Raiders of the Lost Ark set: http://www.hlj.com/product/MEDKUB-239

and Pirates of the Caribbean set: http://www.hlj.com/product/MEDKUB-220

among many others.

That reminds me, they also do a 12" tall dharma be@rbrick (complete with swan hatch logo)

here: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Z4-I2c8peEQ/R5usKUFvGrI/AAAAAAAASnI/1zcKRETKoRM/s1600/LOST_BEABRICK_AD.jpg

and here: http://toysrevil.blogspot.com/search/label/lost

A word of warning, don't buy them. They are expensive and highly addictive.

Ok that's enough from me, this is not exactly a toy blog.

The Big Wee Hag said...

How come I have the feeling that we're all obsessing about the date and it won't even matter, and/or we'll never find out for sure? : )

You could very well be right. I used it mostly as a helpline to figure out the identity of the baby, because, like you, I do not think it is Miles, nor do I think it'll be Chang's kid, since that makes things a little too easy (and boring ;)). Not least, I would also like to know because if it's early 70s there's a possibility that Dan meets Little Ben...

e said...

BWH - So do you think Ben was on the Island as a baby, and if so, how/who brought him there? Because we saw him being born in the forest in Oregon... and then supposedly the first time he came to the Island was in the scene in "The Man Behind the Curtain" when he was a young boy.

The Big Wee Hag said...

e,

I don't think Ben was on the island as a baby, because as you said, he was born in that forest in Oregon, and we then later saw him come to the island with his father, but I suppose there could be the possibility that Ben and Dan are on the island at the same time. (I'm not trusting the lostpedia timeline in that aspect, because I honestly have no idea why they think Ben and his father came to the island in
'77/'78, I think it had to be '73-'75 - but either way, Displaced Daniel and Young Ben could definitely cross paths.)

The Big Wee Hag said...

e,

Sorry for posting a second time, but I think I know get what you meant about Ben and the baby: it's two separate issues - one, using the time where the video was shot to determine the baby's identity, and two, to find out whether Young Ben is already on the island and whether he could meet Daniel.

Sorry for the confusion!

Anonymous said...

Your theories are good but this is lost and common thoughts are wrong.

That baby is either Ben, Locke or Alpert.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Can't wait until jan.

Anonymous said...

Your theories are good but this is lost and common thoughts are wrong.

That baby is either Ben, Locke or Alpert.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Can't wait until jan.

kristyn from detroit said...

Hi E!

I was watching Mythbusters this weekend and I thought of you, because they were using a 'Faraday Cage' to test if cell phone signals could cause an airplane to crash. I know we discovered that Daniel Faraday is named after physicist Michael Faraday, but i just thought it was funny that they were using this Faraday Cage to block electronic signals by using a conductive material ... this is obviously a tie to what's going on on the island.

TW Properties said...

In case you're still checking comments in September... we've been re-watching Lost from the beginning, and two things jumped out at us, both minor but interesting.

1st: in one early season one episode, Kate jumps Sawyer in the jungle trying to get the case full of guns. As they're rolling on the ground he says something like: "I've been waiting 4 years for this moment."

2nd: In season one when Danielle takes Jack/Kate/Locke etc to the Black Rock to get dynamite to blow the hatch, she says something like: "Here's where it happened... where everyone got the sickness... where Bonfont lost his arm"

I just guessed on the Bonfont name cuz I watched it last night and I can't remember the name... something french with 2 syllables. But it seems interesting that she mentions someone losing his arm, and you were discussing Chang losing his arm. It doesn't quite fit into your timeline though if Danielle's arrived 16 years before 2004. Unless the person she refers to wasn't part of her group.

e said...

Hi there -

Oh yes, I'm still reviewing comments...

Regarding the two points above:

Yes, the "four years" comment Sawyer made has always bugged me. That's why I still believe in the time loop there, and I mentioned that comment of his in my "evidence" in my Season 3 finale write-up, here:

http://longlivelocke.blogspot.com/2007/05/s3ep22-through-looking-glass-jacks.html#TimeLoop

(may have to reload the page once you click on the URL above to get it to jump to the right spot in the post).

The person Danielle mentioned was "Montand." I don't think he and Chang are the same person, but it is weird that they both lost arms. The producers have promised that we will see exactly what happened with Montand... can't wait for that one! I always assumed his arm got blown off by dynamite from the Black Rock, kind of like how Arzt died.

- e

melissa said...

Hi E! I found one of your summaries on darkufo a few months ago and have been reading your blog ever since. Thank you for all the hard work you put into each one. Your posts have made many of my work days much more interesting and bearable!

Not sure if you have seen this, but I found this (fake) fan-made trailer for season five that made me miss the show even more. A lot of these kinds of videos are pretty bad, but this one is incredibly well done and, I think, better than some of the real trailers ABC produced for past seasons. I thought I would post it here where people would appreciate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u43pcJ2VSI

Alexander said...

Haven't read all the comments but it sounds like Faraday is filming the video that was "stolen" at ComicCon.

Alexander said...

It sounds like Faraday is the one filming the video, and that he's been time traveling, not that he's the baby.

Julie said...

Hi e - just getting caught up on all of your posts, now that Lost is back on!

Re: Chang and his losing his arm and surrounding events - isn't there a mention on the hatch door map about the incident? I believe it gives a date. That might help with firming up your timeline.

Keep up the good work - I love your posts - Julie