tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post8914851311251473350..comments2023-08-08T08:06:21.781-05:00Comments on Long Live Locke.: S6Ep9 - Ab AeternoErika (aka "e")http://www.blogger.com/profile/17051946388926947935noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-69670269376838523842010-04-01T22:25:34.385-05:002010-04-01T22:25:34.385-05:00Your request for no spoilers made me think of this...Your request for no spoilers made me think of this. <br /><br />(I haven't actually looked at spoilers, so I have no idea if it's true or not)<br /><br />http://img.imgcake.com/lapkatejpgar.jpgThe Messed Up Timeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700229882211618937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-15028596162090454502010-03-30T00:27:43.568-05:002010-03-30T00:27:43.568-05:00I'm sure someone brought this back way back in...I'm sure someone brought this back way back in the episode where Ben visited Widmore in his bedroom at night but what is the connection between Widmore and Ben hating each other but not being able or allowed to harm one another and the fact that Jacob and MIB have the same relationship? I know that conventional wisdom is that Ben was a pawn and is powerless / not a key power player in the end game but I just can't imagine that they built his character so well not to leave him with a trick up his sleeve.timmyc02043https://www.blogger.com/profile/00691772607860360756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-24493686230541924442010-03-29T23:58:21.655-05:002010-03-29T23:58:21.655-05:00With regard to below, I'm on board with the fi...With regard to below, I'm on board with the fight club angle. My theory is that MIB and Jacob are two parts of one being. Jacob is the body while MIB is the soul. While he shows up in others' bodies (Locke, Titus' character, Isabella) the black smoke is "trapped" so long as the body - Jacob - is alive. Jacob can eat because he is a living body. MIB cannot eat - and thus never drinks or eats the food and drink that Jacob always offers him - because he is only a soul. Because Jacob is a the vessel, he is mortal. The soul cannot destroy the body, however, which is why MIB has always searched for a loophole. Because they are both one in the same, they are equally "persuasive". Lastly, the island is just a cork. The real thing trapping the darkness in the wine analogy is the bottle itself. Why destroy the island when you can destroy the bottle itself? Jacob, as the body that traps MIB is the bottle. It is why MIB smashes the bottle when referring to killing Jacob sooner than he thinks.<br /><br />Rebekah said...<br /><br /> A comment on the fact that Jacob and MIB could be the same person. We have yet to actually see MIB so what if he is only half alive and can be seen by others because there was a dead body that had not yet been taken care of for him to take over. Also llana said that he (MIB) can no longer change form and that he is stuck this could be becuase he has no body.timmyc02043https://www.blogger.com/profile/00691772607860360756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-82844941040249864642010-03-29T23:47:55.005-05:002010-03-29T23:47:55.005-05:00e,
I've seen you (and others) say that the wr...e,<br /><br />I've seen you (and others) say that the writers won't get too religious with the message of the show. However, given some of their influences and "shout-outs", I don't see why a religious message would be so out of bounds. Consider CS Lewis, The Stand, etc.Jason Sevillehttp://www.jasonandkimseville.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-51366132463230015562010-03-29T16:09:31.512-05:002010-03-29T16:09:31.512-05:00The Island only surfaced because Jacob needed a re...The Island only surfaced because Jacob needed a replacement. the Island is only used for that to contain the evil. I believe it is now at the bottom because a candidate was found and the island is no longer needed so it is now back below containing the evil. I wonder if the donkey wheel is what can lower and raise the island?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-73160544207165809972010-03-29T12:34:11.574-05:002010-03-29T12:34:11.574-05:00In response to Julebox -- did you notice that Rich...In response to Julebox -- did you notice that Richard looked like Jesus in this epsisode? The beard, the hair. I noticed that especially when Jacob was talking with Richard about Richard being his go between.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-76877794318577798072010-03-29T11:07:13.932-05:002010-03-29T11:07:13.932-05:00I'm still curious about the cabin. Who was th...I'm still curious about the cabin. Who was there when Ben & Locke visited back in Season 3? Was the ash keeping someone in, or someone out? We see Jacob living in the statue in 1867, and in 2007. Has he always lived there? Or did he spend time in the cabin as well? Also, whose crazed eye did Hurley see? There was a shot in this ep of Richard's eye which seemed similar to the eye in the cabin. I think Ilana provided some info in the ep where she burned down the cabin, but don't recall the details offhand.RobPerrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11702667887581750702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-37001550851264269832010-03-29T10:14:02.484-05:002010-03-29T10:14:02.484-05:00I agree with Term, in that Jacob is a very odd &qu...I agree with Term, in that Jacob is a very odd "good" guy. He says all the right things, but how many have suffered and died because of him wanting to prove MIB wrong? It reminds me of the book of Job, where God makes a bet with the devil about Job staying faithful and then sits back and lets the devil torture Job to see if he is right. If a god Jacob isn't the all loving God of the New Testament, but more of a Old Testament/other older mythological God who likes to use humans as pawns.HappyNatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-76011664577285815432010-03-29T09:36:18.782-05:002010-03-29T09:36:18.782-05:00Great recap and ideas.
*** One big thing not men...Great recap and ideas. <br /><br />*** One big thing not mentioned: I've heard Jacob's "get real" moment with Richard, dunking him in the ocean was representative of Richard's baptism. Think about it, what did Richard end up shouting? "I want to live!" Bibically speaking, you are baptised as a representation of your faith in God and accepting God and Jesus as savior, you inherit eternal life, life in heaven - pretty similar to Richard choosing life (and Jacob instead of MIB). In addition, you could also assume that if Jacob is similar to God (although I agree with E that he may not be as he can't forgive richard's sins, but he at least represents God maybe), Richard is similar to Jesus - think about it - Jesus was God's representative on earth like Jacob chose Richard to be his representative on the Island. I've thought of this parallel before when Richard ran into MIB a few episodes ago in the forest. It was very similar to Jesus being tempted by the devil and being offered anything he wanted by the devil yet Jesus resisted as did Richard. <br />Speaking of all this, I don't think that when Richard was talking to Jacob about him needing to get to people before MIB, that his was an "ah-ha" moment to Jacob - as in, I don't think Jacob was really surprised by this idea at all - I think all along he brought Richard to the island to serve this purpose. in his role, but he let Richard figure that out, see the need Jacob had for someone to take that role, and then Jacob simply made it seem like Richard's great idea.Juleboxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-69091037503861194722010-03-29T02:22:18.436-05:002010-03-29T02:22:18.436-05:00A little tidbit of info on the Canary Islands from...A little tidbit of info on the Canary Islands from Wikipedia that I though was interesting. Hmm, was there an intentional connection here? I know the statue isn't Anubis, but wasn't it another dog-headed deity?<br /><br />"The name Islas Canarias is likely derived from the Latin term Insula Canaria, meaning "Island of the Dogs", a name applied originally only to Gran Canaria. It is speculated that the so called dogs were actually a species of Monk Seals ("sea dog" in Latin) now extinct.[16] The dense population of seals may have been the characteristic that most struck the few ancient Romans who established contact with these islands by sea. The connection to dogs is retained in their depiction on the islands' coat-of-arms (shown above).<br />The original inhabitants of the island, guanches used to worship dogs, mummified them and treat dogs generally as holy animals. In the ancient times the island was well known about its people who worshipped dogs there, and when the Romans first visited the island, they gave it the name: 'canaari', which means in Latin: "the ones who worship dogs", or "the ones with dogs". The ancient Greeks also knew about a people, living far in the west, who are the "dog-headed ones", who worship dogs on an island. Some theorize that the Canary Islands dog-worship and the ancient Egyptian cult of the dog-headed god, Anubis are in close connection, but there is no explanation as to which one was first, and how is it possible for those two far areas to be in contact with each other."niresehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04601802557937714175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-1262515430203618732010-03-28T16:47:58.457-05:002010-03-28T16:47:58.457-05:00A few things I wanted to mention: The appearance ...A few things I wanted to mention: The appearance of Claire to Kate off-island, I think, has to also be MIB. After what Flocke told Kate about no one should be raised by a crazy mother, it's clear that he does not want Claire to raise Aaron.<br /><br />Another thing I wonder about: So many people have mentioned the ship during the daytime may be the Black Rock, but then why did it crash at night. Could it also be circling the island. Remember Desmond couldn't get away from the island because he didn't have the correct co-ordinance. Maybe once the Black Rock wandered into the area it too couldn't escape the pull.<br /><br />You're the best, e!!!<br /><br />Lorilooskilorilooskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14433501310238556328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-54388531890350258162010-03-28T06:58:59.059-05:002010-03-28T06:58:59.059-05:00It was a good episode, but I am disappointed that ...It was a good episode, but I am disappointed that it was pretty much confirmed that black represents evil. That is such a tired cliche, and I'm disappointed that the writers have resorted to the old "black and white" symbolism. It's the old "if you're white, you're right; if you're black, step back" all over again.<br /><br />(Great writing on the blogger's part as well, but can we please use "human" instead of of the male normative "man" when referring to all of humanity?)Steve S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15194730894812167623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-75922427796044600002010-03-28T06:08:23.860-05:002010-03-28T06:08:23.860-05:00No one ever said that Fake Locke couldn't leav...No one ever said that Fake Locke couldn't leave the island. Wanting to go home might imply that, but it doesn't make it absolutely so.<br /><br />For me, it's not even clear that MIB is "ON" the island in the same way the 815ers are. He could be there in a more spiritual sense.<br /><br />Home for him may not even be an earthly place at all. I'm not talking about space, I'm talking about something more supernatural like "heaven" or "hell" or something similar. <br /><br />MIB's home doesn't have to be a physical location at all. It could simply be a state of mind. A world without the good vs evil conflict could be his idea of home. Thus, getting "home" entails killing Jacob and any potential replacements. <br /><br />Without an adversary, MIB would no longer be trapped in this little game he's been forced to play. He could just sit back, knock over the backgammon board and soak in the freedom of sweet, sweet solitude.Spaniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13286299139833373919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-73591139887531062152010-03-28T03:24:35.459-05:002010-03-28T03:24:35.459-05:00I made a typo in my earlier post; Sawyer, Juliet &...I made a typo in my earlier post; <i>Sawyer, Juliet & co. to remain trapped in 1974, where they lived till 1997.</i><br /><br />That should be <b>1977</b>, not 1997. <br /><br />Sorry about that...jamesFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-45237174116260437182010-03-28T02:02:20.048-05:002010-03-28T02:02:20.048-05:00Hi all,
Great episode and a great post E.
I thin...Hi all,<br /><br />Great episode and a great post E.<br /><br />I think I wanted to touch on something JamesF said.<br /><br />I find Jacob very odd . . . I mean, he is this powerful being. He "brings" people to the island to prove a point to MIB.<br /><br />So, he brings the black rock to the island.<br />In a storm, so some people die. Then, he does nothing while the captain kills the prisoners.<br />Then, he does nothing while smokey kills everyone else.<br />Then, as Richard is slowly dying, he does nothing again.<br />Smokey rescues Richard.<br /><br />I understand his whole "I'm about giving people choices and staying out of things", but it seems pretty messed up that he brings a boat full of people onto the island and just is okay with them all dying.<br /><br />He brings Rouseao's ship to the island, and doesn't interfer and lets them die.<br /><br />He brings planes to the island in horrific plane crashes, and lets people die.<br /><br />I'm just saying how good can Jacob be if he brings everyone here to prove him point, to find his successor, but allows/puts people into position to die so easily and readily?<br /><br />Maybe that was Jacob impersonating Richard's wife (in Hurley's mind, and then in Richard's at the end) . . . maybe Jacob is soooo good at manipulating Hurley into getting his way, that he just told Hurley to tell Richard to stop MIB.<br /><br />He pulled Hurley and Jack out of the temple to save them from MIB.<br /><br />For a good spirit/entity/person, he's really got a lot of holier than thou ways about him.<br /><br />Jacob, to me, doesn't seem to be as good as they are hinting at.Termnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-45076640516263844562010-03-27T18:10:13.771-05:002010-03-27T18:10:13.771-05:00Love reading everyone's thoughts and theories!...Love reading everyone's thoughts and theories! Just wondered if anyone else thought that when Jacob dunked Richard in the ocean, it was like he was baptising him? Then they sat and drank the red wine - could this symbolise the drinking of Christs blood - as in the holy communion? I was waiting for them both to eat a loaf of bread lol! Therefore Jacob could in fact be 'God' - or 'God like'. Just a thought. Love reading your blog Erica - you have an amazing way with the written word, bet your book will be fantastic!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120311852128117484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-62890489207830510712010-03-27T16:29:56.558-05:002010-03-27T16:29:56.558-05:00@ Sherylm : I'm glad to see I'm not the on...@ Sherylm : I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with this theory. I feel we should get an explanation for all those spirits that appear on the show. They can't all be the MiB's doing.<br /><br />@ The Grey Rock : Your question requires a bit of explaining, so I'll try to do my best. <br />When the freighter full of bad dudes came to the island, Locke and Ben reached a mutual agreement to go and ask Jacob what they should do next. However, at Jacob's cabin, they encountered the MiB, who appeared to Locke as Christian. The MiB seized the opportunity to enact his loophole plan, by convincing Locke he had to move the island. But Locke had no clue how that could be done, so Ben manipulated Locke (by using Locke's desire for purpose, that is, to be the Others' leader) and turned the wheel. This sent the castaways spiralling through time, so Locke (with a little pep talk from MiB disguised as Christian) turned the wheel again, resulting in Sawyer, Juliet & co. to remain trapped in 1974, where they lived till 1997.<br />As far as Sayid goes, well his wife was murdered. Ben came to him with information on the murderer. After said murderer was dispatched by Sayid, the latter confessed to Ben he didn't have a life anymore and wanted to help eliminate all the people that were a threat to those that remained on the island. So, naturally, Ben made the most of it and used Sayid's anger and despair to make him do his dirty work.<br />I hope that helps :)<br /><br />@ Jamie : I thought the same too, when MiB touched Richard. The same thing could have happened to Sayid.jamesFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-54737910891392986942010-03-27T13:13:14.298-05:002010-03-27T13:13:14.298-05:00Does anyone else think that Richard was dead and i...Does anyone else think that Richard was dead and it was MiB that brought him back to life, he did appear to be dead and also MiB did touch him for quite a few seconds and in the same way Jacob touched Locke and Richard (at the end of the episode)<br />Surely Richard would have been a good choice to be the replacement for Jacob and know a lot about the island, Jacob and MiB, so why is he not a candidate, is this because he was (at least partly) been claimed by MiBJamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-12238571009715844902010-03-27T12:34:00.048-05:002010-03-27T12:34:00.048-05:00Lisa A - I did notice the score and liked it, too....Lisa A - I did notice the score and liked it, too. It is always done by Michael Giacchino, who just won an Oscar for his work in Up.<br /><br />Michael - Jacob specifically told Richard that he was the one that brought the Black Rock to the Island. (It's in the transcript which you can find on Lostpedia.) <br /><br />- eErika (aka "e")https://www.blogger.com/profile/17051946388926947935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-59928800949085069342010-03-27T12:27:36.005-05:002010-03-27T12:27:36.005-05:00Just had a thought...
Is it possible that MIB bro...Just had a thought...<br /><br />Is it possible that MIB brought Richard's ship to the island??? <br /><br />Since Jacob always gives the MIB white rocks to mess with him, is it possible that the MIB said "OK, wise-a$$, here you go... How about I give you a BLACK ROCK right up in your grill and smash your cute little statue on the way in?"<br /><br />Something to ponder???Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09240338117909868796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-20227123496345314062010-03-27T08:34:57.809-05:002010-03-27T08:34:57.809-05:00MIB appeared as Christian on the freighter because...MIB appeared as Christian on the freighter because it was inside the island's radius (Jin and Faraday's raft both moved w/ the island in season 5). However, the Christian seen off-island was actually Christian, or possibly Jacob (basically whatever Charlie and Eko and all the other dudes Hurley saw off-island were.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-45156154244074868992010-03-27T07:09:27.288-05:002010-03-27T07:09:27.288-05:00Pre this episode, I was convinced that Ricardus wa...Pre this episode, I was convinced that Ricardus was a Roman who was somehow connected to Egypt. As a total fool for those ancient cultures, I had especially anticipated Richard's back story. No Grungy Catholic Richard could ever stand up to my Richard in his Legionaire outfit with the little skirt and molded breastplate! Damn my imagination!<br /><br />Once I got over my initial disappointment, I could enjoy getting to see Richard's Spanish back story.<br /><br />Now that I have that out of the way, can anyone explain how this Jacob / MIB stuff relates to (1)both Ben and Locke moving the island or (2) why Sayid was Ben's assassin?The Grey Rocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-63401298631247521362010-03-27T04:52:54.356-05:002010-03-27T04:52:54.356-05:00ack! Now I have nasty wonderings about Isabella be...ack! Now I have nasty wonderings about Isabella being smokey in that moving scene - the big Q is, if Isabella was really Isabella, why was smokey not there in instant response to Richard's appeal to change sides????! Is her appearance then merely coincidental?<br /><br />Also yes, Jacob's quest reminds me a little of the game playing in "Trading Places"...<br /><br />And, as for neither smokey nor J being human - do we then assume smokey was lying in his conversation with Kate about having had a mother and a human form before he "lost" it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-30855472940723768392010-03-27T00:16:27.811-05:002010-03-27T00:16:27.811-05:00quick note
**P.S. In the Bible, Esau was Jacob&#...quick note <br /><br />**P.S. In the Bible, Esau was Jacob's twin brother. Jacob literally means "Heel grabber" because he grabbed Esau's heel on the way out. Jacob is father to Israel and Esau is father to the other tribes of the world. Jacob was sold/traded by his brothers and ended up in Egypt. This is all lining up too much.**<br /><br />Wrong Jacob the jacob in Jacob abd esau ran away after stealing Esau inhertance and then cam eback married to lots of women and Esau and Jacob amde upAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-31467328488276591082010-03-26T23:31:28.396-05:002010-03-26T23:31:28.396-05:00Hi e, Did anyone else notice the score of this epi...Hi e, Did anyone else notice the score of this episode? For me it was one of the reasons the episode was so good. Does the same person score all the episodes? The music that played while Richard was riding the horse made me feel like I was there with him, wish I was!!!!!Lisa Anoreply@blogger.com