tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post579469735549980544..comments2023-08-08T08:06:21.781-05:00Comments on Long Live Locke.: If You Haven't Seen the Season Five Finale, Don't Read Any of ThisErika (aka "e")http://www.blogger.com/profile/17051946388926947935noreply@blogger.comBlogger209125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-74233528424134815092009-12-06T06:14:32.351-06:002009-12-06T06:14:32.351-06:00'X' could be Esau.
And Locke, his reinca...'X' could be Esau. <br /><br />And Locke, his reincarnation.<br /><br /><br />Biblical Jacob disguised himself as Esau so he could trick their father Isaac.<br /><br />Esau vowed to kill Jacob.<br /><br />Esau was a hunter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-359149853170039882009-05-27T10:24:26.217-05:002009-05-27T10:24:26.217-05:00"They seemed to be acting more like the original 4..."They seemed to be acting more like the original 46 survivors from 815. Just following orders etc."<br /><br />That's what cultists do. We've seen the leaders in the past: Hair Trigger Ellie, Baby Killer Chuck, etc. I think the rest are drones. I was surprised about how few Others there were.UnLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202027690239863116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-50271081196073952862009-05-27T08:01:56.244-05:002009-05-27T08:01:56.244-05:00I got to thinking and here's my 2 cent theory on J...I got to thinking and here's my 2 cent theory on JOHN LOCKE's role in the last season and the show as a whole. From day 1 we see that he has been manipulated by anyone that has come in contact with him. He is easily persuaded into doing things and consistently bullied by women, employers, and even his own flesh and blood. Season 6, in my opinion will bring all of this full circle with the revelation that Anti-Jacob has been manipulating him from day 1 to do his bidding. Most notable of events are the cabin scenes. The cabin, in my opinion has become either a holding cell or HQ for Anti-Jacob since the real Jacob has moved to a secure hiding spot beneath the statue. All the while, he has been posing as Dead Christian, Claire, etc. in order to orchestrate and manipulate Ben and Locke into believing they are the leaders of the island...and ultimately pitting them against one another. <br /><br />Getting back to my original point, John Locke, once again has been a pawn in the Island Game for Anti-Jacob, which, after being brought back to life (knew you'd like that part) he will discover and once again go into his usual self-pity mode that we have seen time and time again.<br /><br />Ultimately, Jacob will instill in Locke the strength not to be taken advantage of (and become more like the evil Locke we have grown to hate...but have known this is ultimately where John wants to be in life = stronger, aggressive, controlling, ... a game changer, not just a player)YoYohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16951745081431333231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-69654465892257065162009-05-26T14:33:34.943-05:002009-05-26T14:33:34.943-05:00Hey Em,
Quick thought. Why didn't A-J just dissap...Hey Em,<br /><br />Quick thought. Why didn't A-J just dissapear off into the jungle with Ben instead of making Richard and everyone else come with him. He obviously KNOWS where Jacob is right? And is it just me or are 'The Others' coming off as a bunch of pansies. They used to be all about guns and what not. They seemed to be acting more like the original 46 survivors from 815. Just following orders etc. <br /><br />I dunno. Just a thought.<br /><br />Is it 2010 yet?<br /><br />-MattAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-12491023002488846112009-05-26T07:59:44.852-05:002009-05-26T07:59:44.852-05:00I think we assume that LOST sprang fully formed fr...I think we assume that LOST sprang fully formed from the minds of its creators like Athena from the head of Zeus. This is a serial drama written from season to season without (earlier) a certain date to wrap it up.<br /><br />Although they are doing a remarkable job, I wonder how much is writing themselves out of corners versus unfolding The Great Plan. Does anyone know enough to comment on this as we roll into the final season?<br /><br />I am really looking forward to The Making of LOST afterwards to find out how my favorite TV show really developed.UnLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202027690239863116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-64234698012601811702009-05-25T16:24:06.824-05:002009-05-25T16:24:06.824-05:00Sorry, one last thing to sustain ma theory that ev...Sorry, one last thing to sustain ma theory that evil Locke is indeed the true Locke and the dead body is the fake:<br /><br />In season 4 ep 12, Richard Alpert offers some objects to Young Locke to chose. Alpert was upset when Locke chosed the knife. But couldn't that be the knife he offers to Ben in order Ben could kill Jacob? So, if this was one of HIS objects, could that mean that Evil Locke is true Locke?Mr Solisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-35046017055031636302009-05-25T11:51:43.374-05:002009-05-25T11:51:43.374-05:00Juliet must be dead. The writers made a point with...Juliet must be dead. The writers made a point with their series of flashbacks to show Jacob touching the lives of the special people on the island. When they show Juliet's flashback - no Jacob, no touch. Also, everybody above ground survives the blast both those who disappear in time and those who remain. This could be due to either the anomaly sucking in the blast, or more likely simply because the blast was deep underground and it collapsed the earth all around it and thus protected everyone above ground. The second makes more sense because the anomaly was trapped by the earth they drilled into. The nuke retrapped it. The failsafe key probably triggered another nuke that they buried after kasznski redug the hole, this time knowing what he was up against.<br /><br />I suppose if all the nuke did was collapse the earth it wouldn't necessarily explain why they would time travel as a result. One reason could be why they were seperated from the rest of the passangers and sent back in time was just to fulfill the events of the incident, once completed they would instantly return. No special blast or magic required - just history needing to be righted <br /><br />Jon M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-71961762027759857632009-05-25T06:46:43.028-05:002009-05-25T06:46:43.028-05:00Maybe someone had already came out with this theor...Maybe someone had already came out with this theory, but I'll post it anyway, because I think maybe it would make you feel better, e.!<br /><br />The thing is: We always suppose to think the alive Locke is the fake and the dead Locke is the real one. But what if it was the opposite way?<br /><br />Could the Locke's dead body be the fake (Kind of dead clone or some wonderful magic make up on a dead body, or another smokey impersonation)?<br /><br />And the Locke who entered under the statue is the real Locke, but He has finally discovered that he's AntiJacob incarnation and accepted it? Or he has just temporarily lendt his body to AntiJacob....<br /><br />Now that I think of it, I'm not sure that would make you feel better!Mr Solisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-47339674557312040072009-05-24T02:32:59.410-05:002009-05-24T02:32:59.410-05:00E! Nice job, but you let us wait here for the comp...E! Nice job, but you let us wait here for the complete post!<br />Anyway, a few comments from my side:<br />- Totally agree with you, the changes of minds of the losties, especially Kate and Juliet are ridiculous and do not fit at all.<br />- One thing the flashbacks never showed: all of the trigger happy losties have met already in a sniper training camp (LOL). Their accuracy is second to none and they do not waste any bullet... This has upset me as well!<br />- Jacob wanted to die, or wanted at least Ben to stab him. He provoked him exactly so that he does what he did.<br />- I hope as well the real Locke will reappear somehow.<br />- The apparition of the "evil Locke", being Essau or Anti-Jacob as you call him is ridiculous as well. Anyway, one thing I noted is that this evil Locke still has the memories of the original Locke, as he remembers the camp, Sun, etc.<br />- How can we wait 8 months now?Abu Ayyoubnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-4323370455183560492009-05-23T11:53:23.849-05:002009-05-23T11:53:23.849-05:00Agree with a previous poster: Thanks, e, for a pla...Agree with a previous poster: Thanks, e, for a place to chat!<br /><br /> QUESTION TO ALL: What was the significance, if any, of Bernard asking Juliette to stay for some tea?BBMPigBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890221069550591000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-90507400378018516382009-05-22T18:07:16.796-05:002009-05-22T18:07:16.796-05:00You know, I thought about the ego thing RIGHT afte...You know, I thought about the ego thing RIGHT after I posted. I agree. Ben is ridiculously fascinating. I don't know if Ben is my favorite character, but Michael Emerson is definitely my favorite actor on the show. His Shakespearean tendencies really lend to the role. Faaaaantastic.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543873363407509196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-17565245971898855652009-05-22T17:55:26.241-05:002009-05-22T17:55:26.241-05:00I don't think "what about you?" was mean. Maybe i...I don't think "what about you?" was mean. Maybe ill advised! What if Ben had been misled all along and was not in communication with the real Jacob? Or maybe that was Jacob's way of pointing out Ben's ego problems. Sadly, dont you think Ben sees this as the same way his father turned on him? Ben is honestly probbly my favorite character.<br /><br />I am glad to hear TO questioned backstabbing Naomi. I never liked that scene and did not feel it was in chacter. It must be rough to be invested in a chacter on a serial drama and the writers mess you over.UnLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202027690239863116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-34505045582815578362009-05-22T14:52:19.958-05:002009-05-22T14:52:19.958-05:00Christen -
I'm so glad there were other people th...Christen -<br /><br />I'm so glad there were other people that laughed at that! I remember saying, "Oh yeah! That's right! It's the one that looks different from the others! Silly, Richard."<br /><br />Mr. Solis -<br /><br />Good thoughts. I agree. However, it seemed to me that Jacob was saving Sayid from getting hit by the car with Nadia. He didn't need to save Nadia, so he didn't. Maybe that's heartless but it didn't seem like he purposefully killed Nadia. Maybe I'm wrong in that. He did seem pretty mean when he told Ben, "What about you?" That's when I was convinced that he wasn't necessarily the "good" guy.<br /><br />Timothy -<br /><br />Man, you have made my day! Thanks for all the good thoughts!!! I know the logical side of me should say, "I'll figure out what the red herring is eventually... no need to obsess over it, now." However, the obsessed side of me (which kicks logical's ass on a regular basis) says, "No, no, no. Watch the episode AGAIN and AGAIN until you figure it out."<br /><br />It's going to be an interesting season break...Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543873363407509196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-65905377276131000042009-05-22T12:54:05.128-05:002009-05-22T12:54:05.128-05:00Christen: I'm glad I wasn't the only one t...Christen: I'm glad I wasn't the only one to laugh at that. I guess the main thing Richard knows is where all the Secret Passage Rocks on the island are lol.<br /><br />I hope we get to see his ships-in-bottles collection he's completed in the 150 years since he stepped off the Black Rock.<br /><br />Now if I can get someone to agree that Bernard was not who he appeared to be because of the stink-eye they showed him giving the departing Sawyer & Juliate I'll be happy.<br /><br />I love reading the comments while waiting for e's real wrapup. Thanks, e, for making a space for your friends to talk while waiting for you to dish the goods. (I feel like I'm at the book party with Amelia Earhart waiting for Juliette to come out with the hot brownies.)<br /><br />While you're waiting, it is fun to find an online anagram program and start running some of the weird names. There are some hilarious results.UnLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202027690239863116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-56431570421191697402009-05-22T06:53:56.259-05:002009-05-22T06:53:56.259-05:00There's not only a white flash at the end of the f...There's not only a white flash at the end of the finale but a blast sound as well, so I definitely think the bomb went off. <br /><br />Probably the lostaways will flash towards 2008, and They just will disappear in 1977, that's the reason Richard Alpert said he watch them all die.<br /><br />I think they cannot erase everything because it's kind of lame, and because there's a lot of stuff deliberatedly left unexplained: Annie, Hugo's guitar, etc...<br /><br />But if they flash towards the future, will Sayid and Juliet be mortally wounded?<br /><br />Again, Jacob and AntiJacob are not good and evil. Just two different visions of mankind: Free will against destiny. Besides, Jacob was pretty mean pretty much causing Nadia's death!<br /><br />I'm just rewatching the whole series and Incidentally, there's a production error from season 3, but in one of his flashbacks Sayd was living in Paris. How come He cannot speak french on the first season?!!!!!!<br /><br />I would love to see a Christian Shepard flashback ON THE ISLAND! Or what about a smokey one?Mr Solisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-13827293028093815572009-05-21T23:23:12.189-05:002009-05-21T23:23:12.189-05:00Can I just say that the most ridiculous scene in a...Can I just say that the most ridiculous scene in all of LOST was when Richard was looking for the stone to smash to get into the barracks with the bomb and he was like, "now where is that obviously triangle shaped, bright white rock that doesn't look like any of the others... oh yes, right here in the spotlight, how silly of me."Christennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-11475031346054317182009-05-21T18:14:55.408-05:002009-05-21T18:14:55.408-05:00I saw the red herring thing, too. Interesting cat...I saw the red herring thing, too. Interesting catch. Not much more to say about that. The show opens with a red herring and ends with an A-bomb (trigger for the H-bomb) apparently going off, with a lot of stuff in between. Good luck picking the red herring (deliberately misleading clue used as a mystery writer's device) out of that.<br /><br />My first thought would be the bomb. A 100 foot drop didn't set it off but Juliette saying "son of a bitch" while banging on it with a little rock did? Maybe the red herring is the bomb, which didn't have anything to do with The Incident as we'll learn perhaps.<br /><br />Sobek fits a lot of ways. He is morally ambiguous, seen sometimes as a protector and sometimes as a dangerous predator. He is associated with resurrection, through holding a ladder up (Jacob's Ladder?). He protects the dead and restores sight in the afterworld. As a creature of the Nile, which was the lifeline of Egpyt, he is associated with fertility.<br /><br />If The Writers use Wikipedia as their source (to which e links)they might have read (the perhaps questionable comment that) "Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, <B>nudging things along</B>, rather than taking an active part."<br /><br />Remember Jacob telling Jack the candy machine "just needed a little push?"<br /><br />So Sobek fits very well indeed. Maybe the red herring relates to the ABC recapper!<br /><br />I remember when Janitor Jack was washing the blackboard at Dharma Elementary, it was all about Old Kingdom, Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom. And hieroglyphics. Have to watch that again to see if there are any more clues.Timothy Cappshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16427515191309420471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-30749420218332034462009-05-21T15:34:26.128-05:002009-05-21T15:34:26.128-05:00so does the theory of AJ being smokey mean that Hu...so does the theory of AJ being smokey mean that Hurley doesn't really see dead people from the island, but he is actually seeing AJ/Smokey in the form of his dead friendssmokey???? So he is a pawn as well? He doesn't see dead relatives or unfamiliar dead people, just dead people from the island.Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-12097659355340892322009-05-21T12:51:10.486-05:002009-05-21T12:51:10.486-05:00you are fogeting 1 interesting point in that the s...you are fogeting 1 interesting point in that the spirit of jacob will possess the dead body of locke that rolled out of the box and it will be locke vs locke? in the final battle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-35790075934406445942009-05-21T12:37:22.192-05:002009-05-21T12:37:22.192-05:00Timothy -
Thanks for the facts! Any insight on h...Timothy -<br /><br />Thanks for the facts! Any insight on how Sobek would represent the <I>LOST</I> story? And yes, I think there's definitely a possibility that Lindelof, Cuse, and Abrams make these things kind of foggy to spur on obsessees (like us!). <br /><br />Anonymous -<br /><br />Interesting! You don't happen to remember, by chance, where you read about the fish, did you? A red herring usually is an idiom or logical fallacy. It's usually described as a an argument, given in reply, which does not address the original subject and is intended to divert the audience from the truth or significance of the matter. If the fish was, in fact, a red herring, what do you think this could be referring to? Could there have been a response between Jacob and A-J that diverted away from the original topic? Finally, the producers have mentioned that, while the purgatory idea is one of their favorite theories, that it's not the right one. <br /><br />Keith -<br /><br />I agree with just about everything you said. As far as the Hurley's ghosts being smoke monsters thing, do you think smokey has the ability to influence things like that off the island? I was under the impression that he kind of stayed on the island.<br /><br />- MegMeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543873363407509196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-88856165514352757882009-05-21T09:35:33.480-05:002009-05-21T09:35:33.480-05:00You wrote, "But somewhere along the way there must...You wrote, "But somewhere along the way there must have been a SECOND Locke Body for A-J to possess."<br /><br />I disagree. Given the large number of "ghostly" apparitions that have shown up on the Island, I don't believe A-J is possessing a body of Locke.<br /><br />Smokey can take the form of people without a body being required. Either A-J is smokey or the same situation describes A-J as well.<br /><br />Come to think of it, since Hurley isn't crazy, are all of his "ghostly visitations" in the same category? Either, Jacob, Anti-Jacob, or Smokey communicates to Hurley via ghostly form.Keith Johnsonhttp://keithalanjohnson.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-80291709615675241732009-05-21T07:09:33.432-05:002009-05-21T07:09:33.432-05:00Here's the odd thing. I read somewhere else that ...Here's the odd thing. I read somewhere else that the fish that Jacob was cooking was a red herring. Hmmm. so, maybe Jacob is really not the good guy. So i am wondering if there is something like, they're in purgatory, they're stuck there together? I mean, the one guy does ask if Jacob knows how much he wants to kill him, and, they obviously disagree about a major issue (is there good within the soul of a human, maybe?) But, they don't really seem to HATE each other. I think black shirt guy just wants to get "unstuck." First time Ive posted...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-19396019252318272372009-05-21T05:16:06.531-05:002009-05-21T05:16:06.531-05:00hi there.. when will you be updating this wonderfu...hi there.. when will you be updating this wonderful blog of yours with the full analysis of the finale? thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-91241444522121697672009-05-20T19:29:59.180-05:002009-05-20T19:29:59.180-05:00Megan a.k.a. Tucker : I agree with everything exce...Megan a.k.a. Tucker : I agree with everything except the Egyptian god depictions. Egyptians were henotheistic and believed that the different gods were aspects or "names" of one god. The essence was expressed in the form: hawk, hippo, jackal, crododile.<br /><br />From time to time one family or region would gain ascendancy, and their patron deity would be "promoted." Also, since they were all aspects of one god, their attributes could be mixed and matched to a certain extent to express combinations of powers or even reconciliation or rival dynasties. (That's why we see weird combos like Horus-Set, where the arch-enemies are combined into one two-headed god.)<br /><br />Incidently, isn't the theme of LOST the reconciliation of opposites? Black-White, Faith-Science, Fate-Free Will, etc. I don't believe the series will end coming down on one side or the other, but recognizing the product of both.<br /><br />Tawaret is kind of unusual in that she is not depicted with an animal head on a human body, but a big ol' fat pregnant hippo body with a hippo head. Sobek, on the other hand, is usually depicted with the croc head on a male human body. (Or sometimes as a crocodile, just as Anubis can be a complete canid or a human with a k9 head.)<br /><br />You are correct that Sobek is often depicted with an elaborate headdress. In fact, he has about the fanciest gear there is. He has two big feathers, associating him with (creator god) Amun, a solar disk, associating him with Ra, twin ureus serpents and horns! Over time his headdress collected various symbols reflecting his followers' success in promoting him. His can be found wearing a plain topper, too.<br /><br />The headdress shows a modulation of the essence, and is not very meaningful on its own. That's why several different gods share the solar disk, but it is the body / head that makes the god and demonstrates how the solar power is expressed.<br /><br />Tawaret is often considered Sobek's wife, though, and is sometimes shown in her normal upright hippo form with crocodile hubby on her back! And, since Sobek also has to do with fertility, whatever we call the statue, it can work.<br /><br />Do you ever wonder if these ambiguities are deliberatly created to keep us thinking about and discussing LOST? If so, it is brilliant.<br /><br />In the end, the dramatic impact probably favors a depiction of Sobek rather than Tawaret, who would probably just be confusing if not silly-looking in monumental form on TV.UnLawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202027690239863116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-85754197111666232032009-05-20T13:49:22.594-05:002009-05-20T13:49:22.594-05:00I think that your thoughts on Jacob and A-J being ...I think that your thoughts on Jacob and A-J being like the Dogma characters is very insightful (or, should I say, your husband's thoughts). I am a little surprised by the magnitude of bloggers saying that Jacob is "good" and A-J is "bad," though. <br /><br />I think the show has used the black and white garb to show opposites many times, not necessarily good and evil. Echo and Locke were often shown wearing white and black, respectively, but that didn't mean that Echo was good and Locke was bad. Only that they were the spiritual opposites on the island. Likewise, Jack and Anna Lucia were shown wearing white and black, respectively, when they first met. That didn't meant that Anna Lucia was bad and that Jack was good, just that they were the opposite leaders of their respective ends of the plane on the island. I think that the only thing we can conclusively say from Jacob and A-J wearing white and black is that they represent opposites.<br /><br />As far as who A-J is, I think that DetectiveFork has it right in thinking it's a smoke monster thing. This would not only explain how A-J gained Locke's likeness (we've seen the smoke monster appear in many different forms on the island, even as people such as Yemi, Echo's brother), but it would also explain the Alex thing. I thought it was kind of funny that Ben went down to be judged by the smoke monster alone, and that as soon as his interaction with Alex/the smoke monster was done, John reappeared. He was gone for the duration of that interaction. I also never got why the smoke monster would tell Ben to follow a fake Locke. The smoke monster could be gullible, or A-J may have control of it, but I think it makes a lot of sense that A-J would turn into Alex, scare the crap out of Ben, and then turn back into Locke knowing that Ben would do what he said. Finally, when Ben calls the smoke monster to judge him, Locke rounds the corner in a similar way to when Ben summoned the smoke monster before and smokey rounded the corner to take out Keamy and Co.<br /><br />Last, but not least, the statue. I agree that the mouth could be that of an alligator. The body is clearly more human than hippo (apart from the four toes, which points to Taweret). However, when talking about Egyptian gods or goddesses, they can be represented almost <I>exclusively</I> by their headdress. Ra's headdress is exclusive to Ra and the mere symbol of his headdress represents that god. Sobek's headdress is pretty dang orante. It's not a small, simple thing. The headdress on the statue is much more like Taweret's. I don't think they would skip Sobek's extremely ornate headdress if they wanted to accurately represent that particular god.<br /><br />Whew...<br /><br />- As Always -<br />TuckerMeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543873363407509196noreply@blogger.com