tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post6169918804116873993..comments2023-08-08T08:06:21.781-05:00Comments on Long Live Locke.: S6Ep4: The SubstituteErika (aka "e")http://www.blogger.com/profile/17051946388926947935noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-49355026494736447162010-04-14T17:19:07.771-05:002010-04-14T17:19:07.771-05:00I can't take lockes wife seriously , to me she...I can't take lockes wife seriously , to me she will always be the mum in 8 simple rules.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-84811568370238997412010-03-09T00:22:17.590-06:002010-03-09T00:22:17.590-06:00Hi. i just rewatched "lighthouse" and s...Hi. i just rewatched "lighthouse" and some familiar names appeared on the 360 degree table with the mirrors such as "Dawson" (as in michael dawson), and "Linus" (as in ben linus), "Rousseau" (as in danielle rousseau), and of course all of the oceanic 6. Just thought you should know.<br /><br />- RusselAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-32506226328937953932010-03-03T17:48:35.559-06:002010-03-03T17:48:35.559-06:00In terms of the timeline, I think there are 3 poss...In terms of the timeline, I think there are 3 possibilities. One, as Erika mentioned, is that the Incident did not destroy the island, but rather it slowly sank, post-1977. Thus Ben could be alive and uptight in a school somewhere. But that doesn't totally explain why Jack has a kid, Locke loves his dad, etc.<br /><br />Second, and possibly in conjunction with the first, the Incident has consequences for the rest of the world somehow, post-1977, so that Jack, Locke and Kate, etc., all follow different life paths as of 1977 than the ones we previously knew of. Like the Butterfly Effect - if a group of crazy time-traveling plane crash survivors detonate a 50-year old nuclear bomb on a mysterious island in an unknown body of water, it will cause a man in American to become a substitute teacher.<br /><br />Third (and warning, nerd alert), the Lost writers are choosing to follow the space-time continuum dynamic that was played out in the Star Trek Next Generation episode entitled "Parallels." As Data explains in the episode, "For any event there is an infinite number of possible outcomes. Our choices determine which outcome will follow. According to a theory, everything that can happen does happen in some other quantum reality." So maybe the non-crash timeline we are seeing is just another parallel timeline for these characters' lives, which is happening anyway, in another quantum reality, regardless of the Incident. That would explain why both pre- and post-1977 things would be different.<br /><br />But it's probably the first two, unless we see some detail that seems to indicate otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-45092672589762460332010-03-03T17:11:46.403-06:002010-03-03T17:11:46.403-06:00Since I live in Mexico, I get the episodes 2 weeks...Since I live in Mexico, I get the episodes 2 weeks later, so I just saw this one last night. Awesome. I have a theory as to why MIB is now "stuck" in Locke's body... because they actually gave him a proper burial. Remember, Yemi died in the plane crash and his body decayed in the wreckage. Christian was in a coffin that ended up who-knows-where when the plane crashed, so he never had a proper burial either. <br /><br />I also think the creepy kid was an earlier version of Jacob. And I think when he said, "remember, you can't kill him." it meant that the MIB couldn't kill Sawyer because Jacob had touched him. Someone else could, but not MIB. I also think that MIB is looking for another loophole as a way to get off the island - he had to find someone else to kill Jacob for him, and he has to have someone else physically accompany him for him to escape. I agree with another comment that Jacob's role was not necessarily to protect the island, but to protect the rest of the world from MIB by keeping him imprisioned there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-12299298572556449812010-03-01T15:39:56.419-06:002010-03-01T15:39:56.419-06:00Here's what has confused me:
Kate's not on...Here's what has confused me:<br />Kate's not one of the canidates, does this mean she's not on the island because of fate. WHAT THE HECK DO THE NUMBERS MEANPikachaohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05508331617415831617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-2973512349278092532010-02-28T10:46:10.911-06:002010-02-28T10:46:10.911-06:00I just rewatched again and noticed that after Lock...I just rewatched again and noticed that after Locke shakes Hurley's hand in the parking lot he flashes a big smile. Then as the scene cuts to Locke in the sand (with the crab on him), his face appears to be smiling... unlike his face when they are burying him... seems odd, I thought it was funny... maybe I'm "infected". Nice job on the recaps! I'm slowly catching up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-15903645075697244882010-02-26T08:53:42.817-06:002010-02-26T08:53:42.817-06:00Why hasn't anyone mentioned that John was subs...Why hasn't anyone mentioned that John was substituting in a *SCIENCE* class...? The first thing I thought when I saw him behind the desk was "Man of science!!!!!" Helen seems to be his source of faith off the island.vayankeegrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00096429251283437930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-14119943992545755222010-02-25T19:20:03.893-06:002010-02-25T19:20:03.893-06:00Regarding the theory of the young, blonde boy:
I ...Regarding the theory of the young, blonde boy:<br /><br />I still think that Aaron could end up being Jacob (we still haven't been told why he's SO important - though we've been told many times that he is). With all the alternate time-lines and time-traveling I don't feel like this is a far reach.<br /><br />If this is true, the young blonde boy could easily be both Aaron and Jacob.Meghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11543873363407509196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-55202211173377731442010-02-25T16:39:27.889-06:002010-02-25T16:39:27.889-06:00SPOILER alert
the 4 lettter word which describes t...SPOILER alert<br />the 4 lettter word which describes the island is WOMB. <br />flocke will become jacob in new timline.<br />old timeline will die.<br />old timeline is a decaying fruit - new timeline fresh seed. the numbers are bad in old timeline because its lifeforce is dead. the numbers(like dna/life force) are different in new timeline and are good/lucky because the seed is a "healthy baby" and not an old person on its last legs.<br />doctoroctopus8Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08628061369757526776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-48693899899668847872010-02-24T12:56:26.764-06:002010-02-24T12:56:26.764-06:00after watching the replay, and paying particular a...after watching the replay, and paying particular attention to MIB.Locke's fair haired boy, I think he said "we can't kill him."<br /><br />Well, now, that's interesting...hatch-mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-17858460077261060302010-02-23T11:47:58.049-06:002010-02-23T11:47:58.049-06:00I agree with hatchman on the whole probable univer...I agree with hatchman on the whole probable universes theory. There are many probabilities that we can take in our lives. Every choice we didn't make still plays out in some other time/universe.<br /><br />I think that all the time periods on LOST are silmultanueous, and that each character is living out different probabalities of what could have been.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388441305144848353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-12835048411345706202010-02-23T08:23:03.885-06:002010-02-23T08:23:03.885-06:00Spanio might have something there. The split migh...Spanio might have something there. The split might be just your ordinary, everyday garden variety split.<br /><br />The Copenhagen Interpretation, or "many worlds theorem" says that every event that could go in more than one way actually goes in every possible way, but in separate universes.<br /><br />Hence, there is a universe in which I did not send this message, one in which I did, and a gazillion other universes where I wrote something else, or chose a different post name.<br /><br />Yeah, let that roll around in your addled pate...<br /><br /><br />SO: the powers that be could be showing us a different way that things _could_have_ played out, without any specific cause. ay carumba.hatch- -mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-63693558227241212962010-02-23T03:09:22.189-06:002010-02-23T03:09:22.189-06:00To explain the bizarre incongruities in the altern...To explain the bizarre incongruities in the alternate timeline, you might have to drop the assumption that Jughead had anything to do with the timeline split at all. What if events occurring at different times (2008 and 1977) were moving forward simultaneously through some unknowable dimension of time and space? And perhaps the event that actually split the timeline happened in the future.<br />While it's incredibly tempting to consider Universe LOST and Universe X as independent, you run the risk of forgetting completely about what I consider to be the most crucial event in the original timeline: Jacob's death. I think we might well learn that it was Jacob's burning that split time, not Jughead. <br />And if that's the case, then alternate timeline theories might not dictate that anyone, anywhere HAS to be dead (including Ben AND Widmore).Spaniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13286299139833373919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-37869547353867057352010-02-22T16:05:17.349-06:002010-02-22T16:05:17.349-06:00Excellent, as always. My witty repartee:
Sawyer:...Excellent, as always. My witty repartee:<br /><br />Sawyer: "saw yer" saw yer what? Horse, and little boy. I think the con man turned decent guy has special powers of some sort, or else being nearly dead (or in a drunken stupor) gives you the ability to see.<br /><br />I remember reading that the airplane pilot was to be the hero character, and that Jack would die. I don't remember Kate as hero...could be my fuddled pate.<br /><br />I was totally hornswoggled by the yellow hummer. Never even expected Hurley, even though I expected him to own the box company. Sometimes it's easiest to hide stuff right in front of my face.<br /><br />I did see daddy darnedest in the photo on Locke's desk, and I'm still trying to conjure up a scenario where he's a nice guy. <br /><br />Fair haired boy - could be young Jake, or maybe one of many _editions_ of Jacob. The man-in-white and man-in-black could simply be roles to play (like the Village People)<br /><br />I'm still holding out that white/black does not mean good/bad - it's a llittle too obvious. Yin/Yang, yeah I like that.<br /><br />ciao.hatch-mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-10624526738324855282010-02-22T13:56:38.006-06:002010-02-22T13:56:38.006-06:00I believe that the Kwon Jacob meant to be the prot...I believe that the Kwon Jacob meant to be the protector of the island is Jin, and that is why Sun did not get pulled back to the 70s when Ajira crashed.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13935371422594105516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-26119833584309295022010-02-22T09:07:56.485-06:002010-02-22T09:07:56.485-06:00doctoroctopus8 - Jacob and MIB are Yin and Yang wh...doctoroctopus8 - Jacob and MIB are Yin and Yang which im sure millions have people have said before– both neither essentially good nor bad. Wiki explains: dropping a stone in a calm pool of water will simultaneously raise waves and lower troughs between them, and this alternation of high and low points in the water will radiate outward until the movement dissipates and the pool is calm once more. Coincidentally all the lost promo last supper pictures have locke sitting (dark/yin/even numbers/valleys/mib) in the middle and then the 1st people either side are standing ( odd/yang/light/odd numbers 15 and 23/mountains/jacob ) and then sitting again outside of him. WAY too much of coincidence. <br /><br />From wiki - Yin and yang transform each other: like an undertow in the ocean, every advance is complemented by a retreat, and every rise transforms into a fall. Thus, a seed will sprout from the earth and grow upwards towards the sky – an intrinsically yang movement. Then when it reaches its full potential height it will fall.<br /><br />The more creative force - Jacob (Yang), I think, wants the cycle of yin and yang to end and somehow prove his dominance over the more receptive Yin. I think Yang doesn’t understand the nature of the balance and his line “it only ends once and anything before that is just progress is ignorant of the whole yin/yang philosophy/symoblism which clearly is in evidence in this show”. I don’t think that either yin or yang will win but the balance will be restored.<br /><br />So will mib( being influenced by locke by assuming his form)eventually assume the jacob mantle – ying and yang do transform each other. That would lead us to speculate that Jacobs replacement would actually take the MIB role – sounds twisted but feels kinda right knowing lost. It is also possible they both get replaced. Jack as Jacob has been touted quite a bit given the locke/jack conversation which mirrors jacob/mib. According to the numbers it is either Jack or Sawyer – the only odd numbers – to replace the big yang that is jacob.<br /><br />Also – seven deadly sins - locke/dispair (killed himself), hurley/gluttony, sawyer/avarice (hoarded stuff), Jack/pride, Kate/lust, Jin/envy (of suns dads position).<br /><br />This could fit with valenzetti that every time the cycle turns and jacob and mib are replaced the numbers change –and the valenzetti equation is reset with different numbers.<br /><br />One thing im missing is the use of the colour red I think which is used along with balck and white. Have a look a t the yin yang lotus symbol.<br /><br />Symbolism of yin yang http://www.whats-your-sign.com/yin-yang-symbols.htmldoctoroctopus8noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-10921863024052359172010-02-22T05:15:58.931-06:002010-02-22T05:15:58.931-06:00Perhaps as Kate does not a number and so is not pa...Perhaps as Kate does not a number and so is not part of the formulaic solution, she is exactly what MIB showed to her, the proverbial ‘Dark horse’. It could be, since I would not predict a fully happy ending to season 6, that the feud between Jacob and MIB was already played out in the future resulting in Jack taking over the position of white and Kate that of the black Island protector. Since Jack has always been in love with Kate, would he not do anything to try and stop this from happening? What we would be seeing then over the 6 seasons would be Jack manipulating events in order not to try and save Jacob or the Island but rather to avoid Kate being taken over and becoming WIB. Why Jack would not remember could, for sake of a quick rationale, be ‘one of the rules’. RVSAIDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-80341030397890346632010-02-21T20:27:29.214-06:002010-02-21T20:27:29.214-06:00Someone might have already mentioned this but I...Someone might have already mentioned this but I'm too lazy to read through all the comments, but did you notice the spider crawling on Locke's body when Ilana and her peeps were walking from the Temple? I IMMEDIATELY thought about NIkki and Paolo and their freakish spider-induced paralysises (what's the plural for paralysis anyway?). Perhaps far-fetched, but interesting nonetheless, no?Mandyhttp://www.fluentsarcasm.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-80250316159025442832010-02-21T19:47:40.412-06:002010-02-21T19:47:40.412-06:00I've been thinking about Ilana, too. She seem...I've been thinking about Ilana, too. She seems very Mary Magdalene-like. She went into the 'tomb' complete with huge stone door and asked where 'his' body was. I think MM was the one whom Jesus 'redeemed' from demons or something. Ilana (a Hebrew name incidentally) does have that sort of devotion that was often attributed to Jesus' women followers. I wonder what he saved her from to have such a devoted follower.<br /><br />And regarding the Alternate timeline - I'm wondering if each person's ultimate choice at the end will be to choose a timeline to end up on. Both realities will exist and they can choose which one to merge with.Traceynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-3578005442125413342010-02-21T13:57:57.152-06:002010-02-21T13:57:57.152-06:00Jim wrote:
The theory I'm running with right n...<b><i>Jim wrote:</i></b><br />The theory I'm running with right now is that the Alternate Timeline is how everyone's lives would have unfolded if Jacob had meddled in their lives, to "push" them to the Island.<br /><br />--------------------<br /><br />OK, I meant to write "if Jacob <b>HADN'T</b> meddled in their lives."<br /><br />My bad!Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05410746079617935353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-84776691824627107532010-02-21T02:36:33.233-06:002010-02-21T02:36:33.233-06:00love the post -i thiink ben could still be alive c...love the post -i thiink ben could still be alive cause . . . - because the plane never crashed in alternate none of the events leading to the time skipping would have happened. the effect of the losties interaction from the time skipping (including locke meeting alpert) should then satisfactorily explain why the alternate timeline is totally different from the original timeline pre 815 crash. because the incident did not happen the time skips did not happen and the two timelines would have actually diverged at the point of the oldest time skip interaction (not in 1977). could anyone please remind me what this was? - doctoroctopus8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-58101778645282517612010-02-21T00:46:25.533-06:002010-02-21T00:46:25.533-06:00Also a little clarification (I don't know if a...Also a little clarification (I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this).<br /><br />While the "Jack dying/Kate as de facto leader" idea is definately true, this was in a VERY early version of the script, long before it became the Lost we know and love.<br /><br />I've always had a thing for the "Jack dying at the start" storyline as a basis for theories, but after years of research it turns out to be so far removed from canon to not even be worth mentioning.<br /><br />Just thought I should let you know so you are not building any hopes on that one - the "Kate" that was to become the leader was NOT anything like the Kate we now know - same goes for "Jack", in fact I think in that version of the script those weren't even their names - "Jack" was called something like "The Colonel" and "Kate" was something else too, and they were both slightly older I think.<br /><br />So there you go - sorry for the vagueness, but I am 95% convinced that all of the above is true :)SDShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16779336471891988004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-48777261764086271092010-02-20T16:39:35.859-06:002010-02-20T16:39:35.859-06:00the bizarro timeline is not only missing the incid...the bizarro timeline is not only missing the incident but also all those time jumps which could have massively altered the original time line<br /><br />that why the bizarro timeline can be so different<br />doctoroctopus8Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-3044458625300677812010-02-20T13:20:31.903-06:002010-02-20T13:20:31.903-06:00Hm, interesting..the 'Smoke monster';
Some...Hm, interesting..the 'Smoke monster';<br />Somehow I wonder if its totally true that 'MIB is Smokey' or better that he is the ONLY one.<br /><br />After looking back at some episodes, and reading some translations what the 'whispers' are whispering, I think that maybe there are actually numurous 'dark clouds' on the island.<br /><br />Entities so to speak, taking on the form of various animals (and people) on the island. The way 'whispers'are often saying things like "did he see us..?" "is she behind us.." "is that?.." " Kill the pilot, chase them away" etc.<br /><br />'The monster' can`t get past it; or as was said : "to protect the Barracks area from the Island's abundant WILDLIFE"..<br /><br />Keeps me wondering though what with the fact that 'young Locke' had a drawing of a smokepillar on his wall (if that is what it is)..they encountered before? maybe Locke had been in contact with the monster(s)far longer than we think?..<br /><br />Also about the 'blond kid' being a young Jacob or something; no, too obvious I think. An older Aaron, maybe, just in a way that an older Walt appeared as "a giant" to Locke. His clothing could ofcourse mean anything at a point of his life at that age. But the way the talked, it seems a even a higher force then Jacob and MIB.<br /><br /><br />Anyway ,keep up the excellence! <br /><br />AlbertAsphodelhttp://www.xs4all.nl/~marcnet/albert/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-57805964259981010392010-02-20T10:27:34.484-06:002010-02-20T10:27:34.484-06:00Hey there,
I thought the most interesting aspect o...Hey there,<br />I thought the most interesting aspect of this episode was the MIB saying "Don't tell me what I can't do." It's almost as if there's still an aspect of Locke in the MIB.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10388441305144848353noreply@blogger.com