tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post1009556362469216111..comments2023-08-08T08:06:21.781-05:00Comments on Long Live Locke.: S4Ep9 - THIS is "The Shape of Things to Come?" Lord Help Me.Erika (aka "e")http://www.blogger.com/profile/17051946388926947935noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-66512792902838596472008-05-03T06:13:00.000-05:002008-05-03T06:13:00.000-05:00Thank you for the great recap, e! I especially lik...Thank you for the great recap, e! I especially liked the "I was wrong" thing. Alex's death was totally horrible, I couldn't believe it! When Ben dissappeared to his secret room I actually thought that he had a time machine there, and that he'd go back in time to prevent her murder. But no, he "only" summoned Smokie. Ben is my favourite and it was great to see him do all sorts of cool stuff in different places...but I really couldn't enjoy the episode as much as I wanted, the execution of a 16-year-old was just too cruel. <BR/><BR/>Sayid mourning over a woman is not out of character, this is actually the third time he looses a lover, and Nadia was the love of his life. I'd like to see him happy for a change but apparently that's not going to happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-36700930863700498302008-05-02T11:46:00.000-05:002008-05-02T11:46:00.000-05:00Hi,Loving the blog!Just wanted to say something I ...Hi,<BR/><BR/>Loving the blog!<BR/><BR/>Just wanted to say something I discovered in this episode. But first, a reminder.<BR/><BR/>In a Walkabout flashback (the 2nd one) Locke said: "Patience, the quality which you lack, GL12, is the hallmark of a leader". He was playing RISK.<BR/><BR/>At the beinning of this episode, the following conversation occurs:<BR/><BR/>HURLEY: We're all gonna die.<BR/>SAWYER: Calm down, Chicken Little. The sky ain't falling just yet. <BR/>HURLEY: This is exactly what he wants--to fight amongst ourselves. You're making a big mistake, dude. <BR/>LOCKE: It's his to make, Hugo. (To Sawyer) <B>Let's get on with it. </B><BR/><BR/>And they were playing... you guessed it... RISK! And Locke seemed just a little bit... impatient. And now he <I>is</I> a leader! So, any ideas what this means? I find it hard to believe for the writers to have them playing Risk for the very second time in the show, and it be a coincidence.<BR/><BR/>ACAndrew Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907127007662478094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-86654240419685243832008-05-01T17:00:00.000-05:002008-05-01T17:00:00.000-05:00I never thought about Claire hanging clothes but t...I never thought about Claire hanging clothes but that would explain why Hurley had Aaron. I hardly doubt a mother would just let her baby away from her side for something like sleep....then again Mom's need sleep.Burgertimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17940981041463953272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-75828173491145319732008-05-01T11:00:00.000-05:002008-05-01T11:00:00.000-05:00Thanks for another great review!I just wanted to s...Thanks for another great review!<BR/><BR/>I just wanted to say that I watched it again, and I think Claire was hanging clothes in the backyard, when the house blew up, and that is why she was ok...it seems there was a clothes line next to her..what do you guys think? <BR/><BR/>Sawyer may have stepped OUT of the house frame, before he found her..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-31573626021014613702008-04-30T13:51:00.000-05:002008-04-30T13:51:00.000-05:00I love your posts, but I don't want you to forget ...I love your posts, but I don't want you to forget that we've seen Ben's lightsaber stick before in "Every man for Himself". He beats Sawyer with it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-78435066838313208882008-04-30T11:18:00.000-05:002008-04-30T11:18:00.000-05:00LOVED this recap, Erika. Best one on DarkUFO's si...LOVED this recap, Erika. Best one on DarkUFO's site again, hands down. It's refreshing to have intelligent commentary on the show without trying to shoehorn one's own pet theory into new contortions each week (see Vozzek68).<BR/><BR/>I too am remaining spoiler-free. I looked at Dark's spoiler page for about half a second and then said, "No way." I gave in last year and the Snake in the Mailbox -- which I had guessed, believe it or not (flashforwards aren't exactly a new plot device) -- was defanged completely. No, not again. It's like uncorking a good wine and letting it sit for a month before tasting it. This show is way too good for childish instant gratification.<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>My first comment is about your questioning of the Dharka and the frost that comes off Ben. I'm NOT going with teleportation or wormholes just yet. That image of Ben on his back showed him in some kind of interesting terrain. I'm no deserty specialist, but it looks like either a dried river bed (deserts do get heavy rains sometimes, so I've read) or a road. What if Ben was deposited there by a truck? Maybe a refrigerated truck? Maybe the cold inhibits his mystical abilities. He COULD have taken the Elizabeth and left the island and then fallen into captors hands, who dropped him into the deepest part of the Sahara (because, you know, he can't be killed and all). Only the unforseen Bedouins gave Ben a way out of that trap. I know it's a stretch, but I think the show begs for real-world answers before it flies into the fantastical sci fi realm. We don't know the scene in the desert before Ben opened his eyes.<BR/><BR/>Or alternately, maybe the Orchid station is unpredictable, so travel through time to another spot on earth's timeline in space is inexact, so for such a risky distance/time-shift journey, one had better dress warm in case one winds up in Antarctica instead of Tunisia? Or course, he'd probably also have had a life preserver since the earth is 3/4ths ocean. However I do agree that the Orchid is the likely means of transport. I just think it has to do with time only and not travel through the other three dimensions. Ben steps into the Time Tunnel, sets it to launch him to somewhere around fall 2005, zips up his parka and whooosh, when/where he lands is very approximate.<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>Poor Sayid indeed. Nadia was a plot device from the beginning, and we never got to know her, but it's clear that her demise was the key to elevating Sayid to a remorseless anti-hero, what we've all wanted for so long. Total badassery. I woulnd't be surprised if Ben gives Sayid a name like "Samantha" to exterminate and Sayid tracks her down, only to find it's the woman from Desmond's photo, inspiring Sayid to be the one who kills Ben after figuring out the elaborate rat trap he became ensnared in, and which violated many tenets of his Muslim religion. I think that'd be the end of Sayid as well. His story looks to be perhaps the saddest of the major characters. And yes, I think Ben had a hand in the events leading to Nadia's death. But as usual, Ben's not directly involved. This won't matter to Sayid in the end, nor should it.<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>Regarding the Widmore apartment scene, you reference to The Game is very good. I can see that. I don't imagine it's a situation similar to Michael's apparent deathlessness with Widmore, however. Ben wants to maintain his own version of the moral high ground. He wants emotional weregild for Alex. An eye for an eye. Killing Widmore would not be the same as making him suffer by killing Penny. And yeah, Widmore is almost certainly not The Economist who is not an economist. Since I doubt any new villains will be introduced, I'm guessing that person has to be Mr. Paik. Or someone else we've seen or heard of before but not fully understood. And yes, I'm calling my shot. The Economist is Frogurt.<BR/><BR/>Long live Long Live Locke. Long live LOST.Robert Klotzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01107706416055101295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-85395782514035715742008-04-30T08:58:00.000-05:002008-04-30T08:58:00.000-05:00anon. I agree. The Sayid being all sad and vulne...anon. I agree. The Sayid being all sad and vulnerable was kind of out of character for him. For him to just jump onto Ben's bandwagon of killing was kind of forced. I would have expected more of a struggle and for sayid to have his anger built up before ever considering his merger with bencorp.<BR/><BR/>I guess that's going to be expected when they tried to cram in 24 episodes into 16 then take 8 of those and cram it into 5 episodes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-44482662691503195732008-04-30T08:04:00.000-05:002008-04-30T08:04:00.000-05:00I just wanted to post and say I hope you keep up w...I just wanted to post and say I hope you keep up with these amazing writeups of the episodes! This is now my one-stop Lost recap/analysis center.<BR/><BR/>I only had one semi-original thought from the latest episode - why did they gloss over how Sayid found his long-lost wife? It felt just kind of thrown in with no emotional build up. I know it was a Ben flashback, but I was still surprised they chose that route. Wouldn't a Sayid episode showing them reuniting create a more powerful emotional pull? Was this an area perhaps cut by the writer's strike?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-23924490266187373522008-04-29T09:38:00.000-05:002008-04-29T09:38:00.000-05:00How many times must Daniel and Shar-Lot lie to the...How many times must Daniel and Shar-Lot lie to these guys before they actually seem upset about it. They lie and lie and guys like Jack and Dr. Sexy just gie this wierd stare.<BR/><BR/>One thing I'm wondering is if Jack will die. Since we all seem to think Jacob is his dad based on those still photos from the past that he wants Jack to join him. His Character will be around but Jack himself will become something more supernatural on the island. Just a crazy idea of mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-39281397227098154042008-04-29T08:08:00.000-05:002008-04-29T08:08:00.000-05:00Don't forget Benry also had a bad cut on his arm w...Don't forget Benry also had a bad cut on his arm when he was in Tunisia implying that he had just been in some type of tussle before he landed. I think this could imply that someone dropped him there and it was not planned. He looked quite confused when he awoke....if this was some type of teleportation deal why would he look confused or be in such bad shape?<BR/><BR/><BR/>My guess on the skeletons is that it is Benry's love who was implied in the first Ben flash back. Perhaps Ben ran her off and she "disappeared" with her other lover. Remember that the psychologist had to have some reason to fear Ben being extremely jealous. Perhaps she knew. Ben also has a penchant for hiding bodies.<BR/><BR/>Also Ben totally allowed Alex to die, which means he has no ties at all to anyone when it comes to the Island.Burgertimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17940981041463953272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-52670498848440691472008-04-29T04:40:00.000-05:002008-04-29T04:40:00.000-05:00I know where Bushy Eyebrows is! I was watching an ...I know where Bushy Eyebrows is! I was watching an old episode of Cold Case called Static and there he was playing Scotty Valens Brother! So he must be able to get off the island!<BR/><BR/>P.S Another great write up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-49448980741940771372008-04-28T20:02:00.000-05:002008-04-28T20:02:00.000-05:00Hi e,Thanks for the awesome write-up, as usual!I l...Hi e,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the awesome write-up, as usual!<BR/><BR/>I loved this episode. Though I, too, thought it was awful that Alex bit the dust, I was stunned by all of the info they gave us, the new questions raised, the wire-to-wire action, and the incredible acting job done by the entire cast (even the redshirts did their part! Just kidding on that...)<BR/><BR/>Anyways, I am SO looking forward to the last 5 episodes and your summaries. I wish I had something new to add to the thread, but it looks like you all have already covered the bases--and then some!<BR/><BR/>Take it easy,<BR/><BR/>another eAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-40786616480298376342008-04-28T16:33:00.000-05:002008-04-28T16:33:00.000-05:00Hello everyone - Thanks for all of the comments......Hello everyone - <BR/><BR/>Thanks for all of the comments... a few responses on ideas/questions that have been brought up:<BR/><BR/>- While many people once thought that the Adam and Eve skeletons would end up being Jack and Kate via a time loop, now the tide seems to be turning toward Des and Penny (if the skeletons are indeed someone we know, courtesy of a time loop)<BR/><BR/>- Never thought about all of the lamps around Widmore's room... that probably does mean something. And remember, Jacob didn't seem to like light, either... hmmm... <BR/><BR/>- I have not read anything about the flashes being in reverse chron. order. All I heard in a podcast was the producers said that the flashes would always be in order WITHIN an episode, but they said we as the audience would need to figure out how all of the various future-flashes fell together. So I don't think they're in any sort of order.<BR/><BR/>- I do think it's POSSIBLE that Ben and Widmore know that they are each other's constant, so they can't kill each other... but I don't really what's going on. I don't think either of them is time traveling. Teleporting, maybe, but not time traveling. We shall see.<BR/><BR/>- The reason I feel so sure that Benry wasn't teleporting when he ran through the door is that he looked completely different in Tunisia/Iraq/London. He had no scars or marks on his face, whereas in the present time on the Island he's lookin' pretty rough! Plus, since Smokey came so soon after Ben got back (and it was clear that Ben KNEW Smokey was coming), I really think that was what he was doing in the secret room--calling Smokey. Also, as I said below, I just don't think Benry is time-traveling... so Sayid wouldn't be around in Iraq just yet.<BR/><BR/>- Not sure why Jack is getting sick while others have been cured... but remember that Ben was pretty shocked that he developed a tumor... It will be interesting to see how they explain why the Island cures some and not others.<BR/><BR/>- I, too, wondered what it was that Jack talked with Bernard about. I can only assume it was the Morse code thing. If not, we'll find out soon!<BR/><BR/>- It wasn't Keamy who was shown getting taken by Smokey. So I believe he is still at large.<BR/><BR/>- Some people consider the previews to be spoilers and don't watch them... so I'm not going to post comments about the previews for now. I don't go that far (meaning, I watch the previews), but I will not mention them just to keep it totally totally "safe" for everyone on this site!<BR/><BR/>- eErika (aka "e")https://www.blogger.com/profile/17051946388926947935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-9859025597146294072008-04-28T15:48:00.000-05:002008-04-28T15:48:00.000-05:00Doc Jensen at EW.com's clue word before this episo...Doc Jensen at EW.com's clue word before this episode was Dharka. He put it out as a challenge for readers to figure out what it meant.Erniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11840072441170086136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-17302244130358731742008-04-28T14:31:00.000-05:002008-04-28T14:31:00.000-05:00I just wanted to add that the scene with Charles a...I just wanted to add that the scene with Charles and Ben reminded me of when Luke Skywalker was hiding out in ROJ and Vader was reading his thoughts...just the lighting and everything.<BR/><BR/>It could be that Ben actually worked for Charles but realized that Charles was evil or something.Burgertimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17940981041463953272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-43519257493353709792008-04-28T14:18:00.000-05:002008-04-28T14:18:00.000-05:00Sorry, I meant to say, you said "I hope that Keamy...Sorry, I meant to say, you said "I hope that Keamy gets killed" and I think that he did by smokey?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-45521885118041560792008-04-28T14:13:00.000-05:002008-04-28T14:13:00.000-05:00E, Love your recaps, my sister and I are faithful ...E, Love your recaps, my sister and I are faithful to your site for the great spoilerfree chat.<BR/><BR/>One question, you said that Keamy gets killed....isn't he dead? Didn't Ben take care of that when he sent smokey out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-80727875625077884062008-04-28T13:57:00.000-05:002008-04-28T13:57:00.000-05:00Hi e,it's great having your recaps. Helps so much!...Hi e,<BR/><BR/>it's great having your recaps. Helps so much!<BR/><BR/>What I think was awesome is the Ben/Charles scene. The light was shining on their faces in a way that made them look black and white. I think this is a symbol for them neither being 100% good nor 100% evil. They both know that the other one is not completely bad, but they both have their good (and maybe morally founded) reasons for their actions.<BR/><BR/>I like the idea of Penny and Desmond being Adam and Eve.<BR/><BR/>One more question is answered: The O6 didn't escape with Desmonds boat nor did so anyone else before them. Otherwise Ben could not have used the boat as explanation to Sayid.<BR/><BR/>What was it that Jack wanted to discuss with Bernard? Was it a "do you know morse code, can you keep an eye on Daniel?" or was it something else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-80941339553138169222008-04-28T13:18:00.000-05:002008-04-28T13:18:00.000-05:00Hi,Thanks for the no spoilers. Just a quick comme...Hi,<BR/>Thanks for the no spoilers. Just a quick comment....If people on the island has been healed...(Rose, Locke)Then why is Jack getting sick? Any thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-36540967108773150942008-04-28T12:00:00.000-05:002008-04-28T12:00:00.000-05:00You asked why Ben didn't call smokey out earlier w...You asked why Ben didn't call smokey out earlier when the heli landed? I think the problem with smokey is that when he's out he cannot be controlled. He's probably some sort of last resort tool and hard to coral back in. When Ben was saying good bye to Alex smokey can really close to him when the soldier was running away but smokey never threatened Ben. <BR/><BR/>As for Widmore. I have a feeling that he's an old school Dharma boy and wants Ben and all people killed in revenge for what Ben did to the Dharma group. They had probably agreed that they won't harm each other or family.<BR/>What was wierd is that charles stated that everything Ben has came from Charles. It shows you that Charles is in Charge. Haha. had to throw that out there.<BR/>One note is that they threw out that Risk clue. You sort of feel that Ben and Charles are playing a real life version of Risk and Charles wants his Island back. This was a great episode and its nice how fast paced it was. It was sad as to how the three extras died. Oh well. To know them is to love them and I never had the chance to know them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-10684663686306057452008-04-28T09:56:00.000-05:002008-04-28T09:56:00.000-05:00i still think there is reason to believe that Benr...i still think there is reason to believe that Benry's flash-forward happened shortly after his daughters death and his running through the ancient egypt door.<BR/><BR/>if this is the case, then perhaps he spent weeks, or months, in the future, dealing with the loss of alex. also in this time, he may have gone to that artic station we had seen at the end of season 2 (hence the dharka) and found out more about penny, because the artic station had contacted her before. then a quick warp to iraq, some business with Sayid, and a final warning to widmore, and right back to the island to kill the freighter guys via smokey.Kevin Makinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862557654299143822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-75612830587166609612008-04-28T09:24:00.000-05:002008-04-28T09:24:00.000-05:00I too try & remain spoiler-free. One of the best t...I too try & remain spoiler-free. One of the best things about "Lost" is their take-no-prisoners plot that wants to constantly surprise you.<BR/><BR/>I wasn't disgusted or disturbed by Alex's death. I think it was a necessary evil to show that Widmore & his peeps are definitely big time scumbags. <BR/><BR/>You are so right lula! I think Terry O'Quinn won because he had to win at least one Emmy for his work on "Lost". This year, it really has to be Michael Emerson's to lose. <B>HE IS THE MAN</B>.<BR/><BR/>I write my recaps without spoilers...if I can self-promote at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-16578683838609841942008-04-28T08:52:00.000-05:002008-04-28T08:52:00.000-05:00The fact that Alex was killed makes this show what...The fact that Alex was killed makes this show what it is. The writers are not fearful of killing off lovable characters...thus why Kate has not died a horrible death.<BR/><BR/>I hear that a dancing spider makes love to a polar bear next week. Those kooky Lost writers!Burgertimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17940981041463953272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-45547773742410890262008-04-28T07:30:00.000-05:002008-04-28T07:30:00.000-05:00There are spoilers all over about the rest of the ...There are spoilers all over about the rest of the season? I'm glad I haven't accidentally run into these like I have in the past. I'm pro "teaser" but very against true spoilers.<BR/><BR/>Great catch about the healing wound and the stitches. I have no idea what it means, but it means something. Previously, people thought the boat was ahead of the island, but if Doc Ray is dead but alive on the boat (and only time differential is the cause for this confusion) that would mean that the island is now ahead. Then again, who's to say that when his body did the time warp again on its way to the island it didn't get sent back a few days. Still doesn't explain the fleshwound, though, does it. I'm so confused.<BR/><BR/>I understand what you mean about Alex dying. It was horrible, and I was completely shocked. I really thought they wouldn't do it. At the same time, I understand that something like this needed to happen to make those of us in the audience who have always seen the (evil?) manipulative Ben start to sympathize with him. His reaction there as well as when he tells Sayid from experience that when your grief turns to anger you cannot get rid of it did a lot for moving people (or at least me) toward feeling maybe he isn't all bad (as did his eventual confession to Locke that he, Locke, must survive. I guess John is special after all.). However, once I began sympathizing with him, they pull the rug out and have him threaten to kill one of the few true innocents of the show.<BR/><BR/>One interesting thing about "you know I can't do that." that I have read in a few places is the theory that Ben and Widmore may have dealt with time travel at some as yet unseen point and that through their hatred and their games they have become each other's Constant. If so, killing one could/would have catastrophic effects for the other.<BR/><BR/>As always, there is much more to discuss, but my brain has been melted, so I must stop now.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13370522344783641482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20981436.post-9151240536578728112008-04-27T21:44:00.000-05:002008-04-27T21:44:00.000-05:00Thanks for the great review - I always eagerly ant...Thanks for the great review - I always eagerly anticipate your episode recaps.<BR/><BR/>This episode was insane. I'm sure I said, "WOW!" or "WHAT?!?" at least a dozen times. I needed every commercial break to simply digest what I had just seen.<BR/><BR/>I did think it was a great episode, but I also think it was laying the groundwork for MANY things to come.<BR/><BR/>e - I want to give you a huge THANK YOU for remaining spoiler-free. Your site is the only one I dare to visit because there is just too much out there. So much more fun to watch episodes without knowing the answers. I enjoy reading theories, but deep down I really don't want to know until the last season.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I was so overwhelmed during this episode that I missed the stitched wound/scar on Doc Ray!! Big clue, I think, although I can't figure it out either... But I also think Daniel doesn't know either.jill mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00866901292270764139noreply@blogger.com